Harry's Money

[Amon Rê]

Okay this is kinda like a culmination of a few of these theories I've read tonight...if it's too much of a re-hashing, will a moderator please lock it out...first thing is a question...

Mint mentions this three times without answering where it came from...does anyone know??? (it's on this thread: http://www.broomsticksandowls.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1106&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 )

I may be wrong but I don't think they worked in general.....did they? (James inherited so much money and they were preoccupied with Voldie )we really don't have much info on Harry's parents.....I hope we gonna find out more in upcomming book.

Next Question is...we know that Harry has a lot of money...is this JUST from his parents or is it from something like occurs in todays society, especially when officers (i.e. police, or firefighters) die in the line of duty and a fund is set up...

The third and final question is...definitely a re-hashing of the previous topic, but I'm gonna throw it in anyway (big grin ) Wouldn't Harry's parents had to of had jobs to keep money coming in?
Kinda long, but I like to link as much together as I can...

[Alice I]

I think that they had jobs. It would be absoutly aweful if Aunt Marge maintaining that Harry's father was unemployed turned out to be true.

No No I am sure that James and Lily or at least James had a job that paid well.

[pandora315]

I think Lily worked. I can't see her not actually, look at her personality, I think she's to fiery to let James do everything. I also think that she worked for the ministry as an Obliviator. This is a gut feeling and not a rumor yet because I don't have the evidence to back it up. So far all I can offer is that we've found out about the job of Obliviator during the Q Cup, and I think that info was meant to set up something bigger. Also we know Lily was good as charm work. I also hate to say it for those who don't believe Lily has a "dark side" but I think it might be she who impaired the longbottoms memories and the money was a pay off from a wealthy death eater- Malfoy money? Or Black/Lestrange money?

As for James I think he may have been an Auror because of some inference Moody makes in book 5. But not too sure. Any one else think something of the sort, or something completly different??

[Amon Rê]

Definitely agree with the Auror...Obliviator could be a possibility...personally I think the pay-off money is a bit far-fetched, but hey it works...does anyone know where MINT got the idea that James inherited the money, I mean I'm gonna have to re-read anyway, but I wasn't planning on it for a while

[Aberforth]

I also hate to say it for those who don't believe Lily has a "dark side" but I think it might be she who impaired the longbottoms memories and the money was a pay off from a wealthy death eater- Malfoy money? Or Black/Lestrange money?

That damage was done by the Lestranges and Crouch Junior putting the Cruciatus curse on the Longbottoms - there was no memory charm involved. The Longbottoms' brains are addled because of the torturing.

Neville on the other hand - there are theories suggesting he has had a memory charm put on him and if Lily was an Obliviator then it could have been her that administered it.

[Aberforth]

BTW, there is no evidence to suggest that James inheritied a large amount of money. Granted, James' parents both died, maybe while he was at school, but Sirius said he was always welcome at the Potters' and when he ran away he still went there for sunday lunch, suggesting that they died between James' 7th year and when LV killed James and Lily (since Harry had no other relations other than the Dursleys to go to).

I wonder how they died. Seems a little odd that a husband a wife aged around 40 - 50 would die within close proximity to each other without there being an accident or foul play involved.

[Athena Appleton]

I think Lily worked. I can't see her not actually, look at her personality, I think she's to fiery to let James do everything.

*gets up on my soapbox* kay, not really, but...

I'm a stay at home mom... I'm reading this from the perspective of a mom, and I think, since as far as I can tell, I'm one of two moms on this board, that's a pretty valid insight.

I think James and Lily (and also Frank and Alice Longbottom) knew about the prediction... If I heard even the craziest rumor (not to mention, if a man I trusted implicitly, like they trusted Dumbledore) said that the most evil wizard in the world and my son were going to have to go head to head and one would die, I would not let my son out of my sight.

On a side note, I am usually described by those who know me as "fiery" or "stubborn", but I am as dedicated to raising my children as I am in making a living, more so, in fact, so I work a thankless job that doesn't get paid.

That said, I think James worked up until the last days, when they really seriously went into hiding. I think Lily probably worked outside the home until Harry was born. I feel the same way about Frank and Alice, with one exception... I think it's POSSIBLE that Alice continued her work as an auror, but only if Lily were watching Neville. I would only trust someone to watch my son if they knew the danger that he was in, and the only other person who could understand that danger was Lily. The only reason I think Lily stayed at home and Alice (might have) worked, was that Alice isn't called a former-Auror in the trial... therefore leading me to believe that she was an Auror at the time she was attacked.

I also think that she worked for the ministry as an Obliviator. This is a gut feeling and not a rumor yet because I don't have the evidence to back it up. So far all I can offer is that we've found out about the job of Obliviator during the Q Cup, and I think that info was meant to set up something bigger. Also we know Lily was good as charm work. I also hate to say it for those who don't believe Lily has a "dark side" but I think it might be she who impaired the longbottoms memories and the money was a pay off from a wealthy death eater- Malfoy money? Or Black/Lestrange money?

My theory is (in part) similar... I think she or James or both once worked as Unspeakables.

Rowling has stated that at least a lot of the money came to James through inheritance. I don't think Lily's got the darker side, I think she might have once had the potential, but there's just too much against it, in my opinion...

Rowling makes a big deal with names, some having secret meanings (Perkins, Celestina Warbeck, Percy, Dumbledore), some having not-so-secret meanings (Lily the flower means pure, sweet, etc. etc. etc., while Petunia means resentful)... there's a thread set up specially for this in "meaning of names" however, I think this is evidence that Lily is as good as she seems, because so far J.K. Rowling has held true to her meaning of names.

That damage was done by the Lestranges and Crouch Junior putting the Cruciatus curse on the Longbottoms - there was no memory charm involved. The Longbottoms' brains are addled because of the torturing.

Unless, of course, the original damage was the Cruciatus Curse, and the hospital or someone else keeps "refreshing" their problem... Don't post a reply here, though, go to Bad Happenings at St. Mungo's

anyone noticing that all our theories are interconnecting now?

[Amon Rê]

YAY...that's what I wanted...it's not a good theory unless like three or four can be interconnected Does anyone have a link to the inheritence conversation? I'm still a bit hesitant about that one...

[Athena Appleton]

You know what, I don't... I know I've seen it in a magazine or something like that, I didn't read it online... it was a little while back, though. But I do know I've seen that J.K. Rowling said herself that it was inherited (at least a substantial amount was)...

[pandora315]

I'm a mom as well and I think any good mom knows that to do your child justice you have to be a happy person as well. Some people can be happy at home others need to work, or go to school, or do good deeds for charity, its reall a matter of what floats your boat, isn't it?

But aside from that, I'd like to say that I think you're assuming that Lily and James had harry right out of school, and I don't think thats the case. THey probably had jobs and in my opinion continued with them after harry was born. Now, the things about "knowing that Voldy was after harry". Do you think they would have known? I mean, a Voldy spy obviously overheard Trelawneys prediction, do yo really think that person would have waited to go back and tell him? And do you think that after hearing that info Voldy would wait to attack? I think the Potters went into hiding not because they thought Voldy was after Harry, but because they thought VOldy was after them.

But my main point is still that I think they probably both worked up until going into hiding which means if Lily was an obliator she would have been working when the longbottoms were tortured. Or do I have my time line wrong?

[Amon Rê]

Wrong timeline

When the Longbottoms were tortured, it was after James and Lily had died...In the book (GoF I believe) Harry discovers (through the pensive I believe) that Crouch Jr. the Lestranges, and another are accused of using the Crusio curse on the Longbottoms in hopes of finding the wearabouts of Lord Voldemort...they are then sentenced...this all occurs after Wormtail has "died", Sirius is "imprisoned" and Harry is at the Dursley's...since there is no exact timeline..this could be anywhere from a few days after the Potter's/Voldemorts demise to a few years later(within one or two...because of comments about not living in fear for so long)

[pandora315]

yep, I started wondering about it as I was writing that, but Oh well, thats clears that up.

[Athena Appleton]

I'm a mom as well and I think any good mom knows that to do your child justice you have to be a happy person as well. Some people can be happy at home others need to work, or go to school, or do good deeds for charity, its reall a matter of what floats your boat, isn't it?

Under normal circumstances, I would agree with that, but as the Potters know that either their child or one other child will be sought out by Lord Voldemort, I think Lily's priorities would have changed, and she'd put aside her desire to work outside the home to protect her son. At that point, her job as a mom becomes more important than her being fulfilled, because she has to protect her son at all costs from the most powerful evil wizard in a century.

But aside from that, I'd like to say that I think you're assuming that Lily and James had harry right out of school, and I don't think thats the case.

actually, I'm really not. I think they either married a few years after Hogwarts, or got married immediately and waited to have Harry. Either way, I think Lily would have worked up until the time she had Harry (as the prophesy happened right before Harry's birth, I think Dumbledore would have told the Potters and the Longbottoms about it, not knowing which child the prophesy was about.) After Harry's birth (she was somewhere around 25 or 26 when he was born, according to the statement J.K. Rowling made about Snape being 35 or 36 at the time of P/SS) I think she quit working and stayed home to take care of, and protect, her son.

Now, the things about "knowing that Voldy was after harry". Do you think they would have known? I mean, a Voldy spy obviously overheard Trelawneys prediction, do yo really think that person would have waited to go back and tell him? And do you think that after hearing that info Voldy would wait to attack? I think the Potters went into hiding not because they thought Voldy was after Harry, but because they thought VOldy was after them.

I do think they knew, but I don't think it was Voldy's spy that told them, I think it was Dumbledore who told them. Think about it, Dumbledore hears what is obviously a prophesy, telling that a child being born at the end of July to parents who have fought Voldemort three times is going to be the one to go toe to toe with Voldemort. Because they're all in the Order, and obviously very close, he knows that James and Lily are expecting Harry at the end of July, and they've fought Voldy three times, and he knows that Frank and Alice are expecting Neville at the end of July, and they've fought Voldy three times. I do think he would have told them, and I do think this is why the Potters were in hiding. It would fit in with everything we know about Dumbledore's character to have warned them and made precautions to make sure the adults and two babies are safe.

[pandora315]

Sorry I should have been a bit more clear, my typing doesn't keep up with my thoughts sometimes. I emant, if a voldy spy overheard the prophesy he/she would run straight back to tell Voldy.

[Aberforth]

I'm not sure Dumbledore would have told them everything. IF Frank and Alice went into hiding like James and Lily (as you are suggesting) then surely the secret keeper charm would still be in place when the death eaters tortured the Longbottoms, meaning that they shouldn't have been found or they were betrayed. Unless they were both captured at work.

Besides, could you imagine having to tell someone that their son is going to be targetted by LV. I think that there is a different reason for the Potters going into hiding and it has to do with the male line as LV needed to kill James and Harry, but "apparently" would have let Lily go free.

JKR says we will learn more in bk6.