HP2 is such a shameless copy of LOTR2

[JRRRowling]

Em.. let's see:

HP2:
1) has a grey skinned bald elfish creature with big eyes
2) has a talking tree
3) has a giant spider

Lord of the Rings 2
1) has a grey skinned bald elfish creature with big eyes
2) has a talking tree
3) has a giant spider

It's almost as if Rowling was guided by an invisable plagiarist ghost to copy essential characters of the Tolkien epic.

Although Harry Potter may be *entertaining* what I don't like is legions of little kiddies adoring Rowling thinking she is a genius, when all she has done is copy every single famous myth/fairy-tale in the English world. Rowling has copied Tolkien, the story of Cinderella and Enid Blyton amongst others.

Where Tolkien or Enid Blyton were pioneers in creating fantastic worlds - Rowling is such a blatant copy-cat. She just doesn't deserve all the credit she is getting.

Sure, I know some of you Rowling worshippers will get angry - but you have to admit she IS a clone.

[Scellanis]

Em.. let's see:

HP2:
1) has a grey skinned bald elfish creature with big eyes
2) has a talking tree
3) has a giant spider

i dont remember any trees talking...yes the whomping willow moves its branches.....but ents actually walk and talk and i think ull find ents r not trees they r tree herders....harry potter has many giant spiders or acromantula but since spiders is something lots of people have a phobia of giant spiders r bound to turn up in books as evil monsters....

Lord of the Rings 2
1) has a grey skinned bald elfish creature with big eyes
2) has a talking tree
3) has a giant spider

on the subject of talking trees see above...and whereas the (1) in hp is good and powerfully magical the (1) in lotr i take u mean gollum is not an elf but is actually a decendant of hobbits....he has no magic other than the hobbit ability to stay quiet and whereas his appearance is due to the ring and his way of living in the dark dobby's appearance is the way all his species look....gollum does not have good intentions when he helps frodo....i mean dobby didnt try and feed harry to aragog....gollum did try and feed frodo to shelob....

It's almost as if Rowling was guided by an invisable plagiarist ghost to copy essential characters of the Tolkien epic.

i think ull find almost any fantasy book written after tolkien's time will resemble tolkien's lotr.....as copies go ids say harry potter is nothing like lotr...not in comparison to Sword of Shannara series by terry brooks say which is quite obviously very similar to lotr... i mean theres only so many things a fantasy adventurer could use...tolkiens work is the basis of modern fantasy writing...it stands to reason there r gonna be similarities....

Although Harry Potter may be *entertaining* what I don't like is legions of little kiddies adoring Rowling thinking she is a genius, when all she has done is copy every single famous myth/fairy-tale in the English world. Rowling has copied Tolkien, the story of Cinderella and Enid Blyton amongst others.

see above...those stories will most probly have been her inspiration...all stories have to originate somewhere.....anything u would right is bound to be based on something uve read before even if u dont realise it...something as big as tolkien or cinderella is gonna influence anything...its unavoidable....

Where Tolkien or Enid Blyton were pioneers in creating fantastic worlds - Rowling is such a blatant copy-cat. She just doesn't deserve all the credit she is getting.

i heard somewhere tolkien was the pioneer of all modern fantasy...its rather hard to be a pioneer of something if somebody has already done it before.....shes not a blatant copy-cat....i have never seen anywhere with dementors before.....i mean yes ringwraiths r similar but they rnt quite the same......as far as im concerned dementors r far more scary concept than any of the evil in lotr....

Sure, I know some of you Rowling worshippers will get angry - but you have to admit she IS a clone.

quite the opposit id say shes done a very good job of writing a new and interesting book... seriously recomend u read the shannara series before u go acusing rowling of being a clone.....

one other point.....if hp2 id a copy of lotr2...wheres the basilisk in lotr2??

[Luna_Puella]

Hey---not to be MEAN or anything, critical or prejudiced, but why are you writing on a Harry Potter Forum if you don't like Harry Potter? It's like you're contradicting yourself...

Rowling said several times, she has never read Tolkien's books--if you're LOOKING for things that are similar in [color=red]any[/color] two books, you're going to find them. Surely you must know that.

I love Tolkien's books more than any others in the world--so don't say that I am just a 'Rowling worshipper'. Most of us who really love the Harry books don't worship them--we love them for what they are, just wonderful, enchanting imaginative books. Just because we have a Harry poster in our room, have read the books a few times and are excited about Book Five and Movie Two doesn't mean we're obsessed.

I'm sorry if any of this offends you, but you offended me. I love The Lord of the Rings more than any other books in the world, but I love Harry Potter too. For you to judge them so is entirely unfair--you're DEFINITELY entitled to your opinion, but like I said before...

Why are you here, a site created especially for fans to chat about Harry Potter, if you don't like it? It doesn't make sense.

[Shadow]

Liuke the others, I don't meen to be rude, but I agree with Luna. Why are you on this site if all you're going to is complain about HP? Anyway, I do agree that JKR did borrow a few things, but COS isn't a shamless copy of TT. I mean, those were just three things. There are also a ton of differences. In HP, there is no palantir, and in Lotr, like Sonkem said, there's no basilisk. No flying cars, either.

[Luna_Puella]

I agree as well--there ARE similarities. But they're not that unusual--like I said before, you're going to find things that are the same in ANY two books--if you're looking.

And she's not copying off Tolkien--how could she? She's never read his books.

[bewitchin]

OK, I agree with Sonkem, Luna, and Shadow (sorry, I'm going to repeat some of what you said)...when I first read HP and tLoTR not just the second books), I was also surpised at the similarities between the two (giant spiders, and I thought that the Dementors were a bit reminiscent of the Nazgul (scary, black cloaked things), and Peter Pettigrew (not Dobby, who is a tiny bit similar only in appearance) was kind of like Gollum wih the whole life-debt thing) but some of my observations aren't real similarities, just purposeful attempts at finding resemblances between the two stories, like Luna said.

Since Tolkein was kind of a fantasy pioneer, a lot of the books written afterwards may have some components of his original ideas. But most of the story is different, and HP and tLoTR cannot be compared. tLoTR is a lot darker and definitely geared for older readers, in my opinion. I love both, and I've actaully thought about the comparison a lot, but J.K.Rowling is definitely creative and should be appreciated for her books.

BTW, Oh, I didn't even know that JK never read Tolkein's work...

[Scellanis]

i have to agree with everyone....what is the point of joining a harry potter site if u dont like harry potter.....i do so hate it when people join fan sites purely to critiscize the topic of the site...

[JRRRowling]

if you're wondering I bother posting this on a HP forum, it's because there's no where else I could post my thoughts without it boring people to death (no insult intended).

My disdain for Rowling is simply because of her popularity which I just feel she does not deserve. Being a childhood fan of Enid Blyton, I can see quite clearly how the "feel" of the HP books follows the Faraway Tree/Wishing Chair feel. Then of course there are the blatantly stolen elements from LOTR and Cinderella.

Tolkien was a genius. Blyton was a genius - it irks me when people think Rowling is a genius (or at least treat her that way).

Hey but why does it affect me you ask? Well because I was best student in literature, largely due to my creative stories and poetry. I'm not boasting I'm just explaining how my character is such that I appreciate originality and true genius because I know how difficult it is to obtain (I'm not saying I am a genius by the way - I'm just saying I appreciate it). When people steal ideas it makes me upset.

I appreciate people's objective responses to my post. I had actually expected to be replied by juvenile little kids. It's a credit to this forum that everyone can post "objectively". Kudos.

(last comment not intended to be taken patronizingly).

[Broccoli]

Well, don't you think that Tolkien himself did not invent much and just "stole" ideas from mythology?

[Scellanis]

if you're wondering I bother posting this on a HP forum, it's because there's no where else I could post my thoughts without it boring people to death (no insult intended).

as far as im concerned with u would have been far better posting this on a more general forum....i mean i cant see why ud post this here because its obvious everyone here will support j.k rowling whereas if u had posted it somewhere general....say my forum for instance...u may have actually got urself some support....if it was me i wouldn't go posting stuff like that on a fan site for the thing ur critizising...its just asking for trouble....

I appreciate people's objective responses to my post. I had actually expected to be replied by juvenile little kids. It's a credit to this forum that everyone can post "objectively". Kudos.

(last comment not intended to be taken patronizingly).

juvenille little kids......i for one am 19 years old and certainly not a juvenille little kid....maybe a juvenille little student may be closer to the mark.....u seem to be of the opinion all hp fans r gonna be little kids but i know loads of people who r not little kids but still adore harry potter

[LadySnape]

I certainly AM NOT a juvenille little kid, either. I am 25 and I also did quite well in English... in the Shakespeare, The Great Gatsby, The Crucible, etc... and in Creative writing. I love Rowling's Harry Potter books for WHAT THEY ARE, not for what the REMIND me of. It is people like YOU who can't enjoy good, imaginative books because you are too busy finding things wrong with it or looking for stupid things like "similarities". Tell me, do you go to the LoTR movies and nit-pick for mistakes? I think we all know who the "juvenille" is here. And if I owned this board, I would boot you so fast, you wouldn't know what hit you. I don't have anything against open-minded opinion, but you have come in here insulting us all, because we like something so much. You don't have to like Harry Potter. If you hate it and Rowling, stay away from all things that have to do with it! Simple as that.

Oh and BTW, it is very DIFFICULT to give a lot of credit to a dead person. And did you see HP win any Oscars last year? NO! LoTR picked up quite a few, most of which had HP in the same category. What more credit could you ask for?????

Anyway, I just think you should get off your high horse and start enjoying things for what they are. Life is too short to nit-pick.

[hermionegirl09]

I agree with you LS. If you(RowlingisaTolkienClone) think that these people are sooooooooooooo great and Rowling sucks then START YOUR OWN SITE BICKER ABOUT IT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!sorry but the Harry Potter books in my opinion are some of the best books ever made and you have no right to insult them.it's fgreat you have your own opinion but.....I mean without fiary tales and there general teachings, LOTR would't exist!

[Shadow]

Like many others have said. Don't put down HP on a HP site. It's just crazy! Start you're own forum or jopin a forum about both and do the subject. Like sonkem said join her forum and you'll get a lot of support. On that one now, there's a debate about it! just leave us alone.

Oh, and you are sort of being attacked by juveniles. i am inly 11 years old, but I don't care!!!

[Luna_Puella]

[quote="RowlingisaTolkienClone"]if you're wondering I bother posting this on a HP forum, it's because there's no where else I could post my thoughts without it boring people to death (no insult intended).

Well, I think you have not succeeded in our case either. You're wasting our time as much as you were anywhere else--ESPECIALLY in our case, I'd say. We're the Harry fans here. You know we're going to strongly disagree with you--why did you even bother??

[JRRRowling]

[b] And if I owned this board, I would boot you so fast, you wouldn't know what hit you. I don't have anything against open-minded opinion, but you have come in here insulting us all, because we like something so much.

You are a very puzzling fellow.
1) you say you are open minded, yet your words describe you as the exact opposite. To be open-minded is precisely to have the ability to tolerate contrary opinions. You however admitted that you prefer to be narrow-minded and fascist by booting off people whose opinion you don't share.

2) how did I insult anyone on this board? I clearly intended to criticize Rowling, and I clearly added clauses to some of my statements that could possibly be misunderstood. Yet you still get insulted? Are you Rowling's niece?

weird.

I post on a fan forum because I'm curious to hear the other side of the coin. You see I AM open-minded, and therefore open to persuasion if such persuasion were compelling enough. To post on an anti-HP forum would not increase my level of knowledge in any way. The fastest way to learn is to tackle contrary opinions head on - not mingle with those who share you opinion.