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Postby Nothlit » Tuesday 24 June 2003 3:48:52am

One of the big themes of OotP was unification. The Sorting Hat's song was all about how the four houses should stand united, not divided. Voldemort is the antithesis of unification...he loves to divide people in any way possible so it's possible to conquer them.

Does anyone think that by the end of the series, we may see steps toward the unification of the wizarding and Muggle worlds? (Crazy, I know, but it's possible!) Dumbledore obviously has a fondness for non-purebloods, Arthur Weasley loves everything to do with Muggles, and obviously as more and more magical folk marry outside the magical world, it'll be harder to keep it a secret from the Muggle population at large. Aunt Petunia obviously knows quite a bit more about the magical world than she's letting on, too. Any thoughts on this?
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Postby choki » Tuesday 24 June 2003 8:36:47am

letting muggles join the war against voldemort n the existence of wizarding world...cool idea
but we need a major Memory Remodification :lol:
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Postby Boycey » Wednesday 25 June 2003 11:33:54am

There must be a form of unification between muggles and wizards now, otherwise why would wizards let muggles have as much land as they have now, and why deal with the British government if they have a problem, if not unified why act with them as allies.

But on another point, I do think that there will be a form of unification at the end of the second war between intelligent magical creatures and Wizards, as at the moment I find it pretty shocking some of the views of some wizards on these creatures, and how they are treated as outcase, I think this will have to change and will change after the war.

As for your comment on Aunt petunia, there is more to the reason why she lets Harry stay in her house, I mean think about it, we know the reason in full why he has to go there once a year for his own protection, but whats that got to do with Aunt Petunia, why would she care about Harrys safety, the only thing I can think of is that her family would be jepodised as well if he does not go to her house once a year, otherwise she would, even with the warning still let Harry leave the house in the second chapter. Plus "remember the last", whats that got to do with an encantment, this to me could only mean the last of a sentence, and that sentense could mean the danger of her familys life.
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Re: unification

Postby Lizzy Bennet » Friday 4 July 2003 4:06:48pm

Nothlit wrote:One of the big themes of OotP was unification. The Sorting Hat's song was all about how the four houses should stand united, not divided. Voldemort is the antithesis of unification...he loves to divide people in any way possible so it's possible to conquer them.

Does anyone think that by the end of the series, we may see steps toward the unification of the wizarding and Muggle worlds? (Crazy, I know, but it's possible!) Dumbledore obviously has a fondness for non-purebloods, Arthur Weasley loves everything to do with Muggles, and obviously as more and more magical folk marry outside the magical world, it'll be harder to keep it a secret from the Muggle population at large. Aunt Petunia obviously knows quite a bit more about the magical world than she's letting on, too. Any thoughts on this?


I agree that there needs to be unification amongst the houses, and although there was a move towards that with Dumbledore's Army, there were (to my recollection) no Slytherins involved in that group. Considering (i.e. Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle) so many Slytherins (it seems) have parents who are Death-Eaters, I wonder if one of the struggles between 'what is right and what is easy' will be about Slytherin kids having to make the choice of following their parents or uniting with the rest of their classmates at Hogwarts? :???:

There was a rumour (who knows the validity!) floating around that, eventually, Draco and Harry would have to combine forces...now, that seems unlikely, considering Draco's hatred for Harry, particularly since Harry got his father thrown in Azkaban (though, Lucius did that to himself and as someone mentioned, how scary is Azkaban right now without dementors??? :-? ). However, maybe the 'unification' and the choice between 'what is right and what is easy' themes are leading up to Draco having to make a tough choice and Harry having to accept the fall out of it (seeing as Harry despises Draco equally as much). What do you think? :???: If Draco were to make the choice to support the good side, how many Slytherins would follow him and how would that affect the Death-Eater parents of those Slytherin kids? :???:


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Postby Eol » Saturday 23 August 2003 2:17:38pm

I think that the unifications of the muggle and magical world would not be a good thing. I doubt that muggles would be of any help in the war. In a way there is already a form of unification. The Priminister knows about the wizarding world, as do the muggle families of all of the muggle-born wizards and witches.
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Postby Colin » Saturday 23 August 2003 8:23:48pm

Throughout ur Muggle History, uification comes only form a universal threat. In Harry's world That threat is Lord Voldemorte.

To achieve the unification that the sorting hat refers to, it will take a tragedy of sufficient outrage. What kind of tragedy would do this?

Smeone will have to die. Someone like Dumledore. Or Fudge, or both together. Someone important to the common good.

Once this terrible event occurs, and with prodding from the anti-Voldemort camp, unification could be achieved. It may not be a permanent peace, but it must endure long enough for Lord Thingie and his followers to be vanquished.

"There will be more deaths".

The second war will probably be bloody, but should show Lort Voldemort's hand. Once you know your enemy's battle plan, you can devise strategies to noit only defend yourself, but to find weaknesses that will allow you to attack.

I can envision a time where Harry and Draco could join forces. Having your life and your way of life threatened can do this to you.

I expect great things from book six. Terrible, but Great.
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Postby Broccoli » Tuesday 26 August 2003 4:25:24pm

Eol wrote:The Priminister knows about the wizarding world, as do the muggle families of all of the muggle-born wizards and witches.


It have always been kimf of sceptical regarding the Primeminister, I mean, if he knows about and accepts the magical world, it shouldn't be a secret to the Muggles in power in general...
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Postby Eol » Tuesday 26 August 2003 9:58:03pm

That is very true Broccoli, perhaps all of the government knows, but JK probably didn't want to go into that much detail (so far) as it doesn't add directly to the story.
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Postby yasmane » Thursday 28 August 2003 9:44:19am

Well, we know the prime minister knows about the wizarding world, but it can be for a short time. It would be easy to put a jinx on him in order to change its memory (we know that).
And it's not because the prime minister knows something that everybody should know. I guess in the real world president and prime minister knows some stuffs we wouldn't even imagine. And by the way, the whole government doesn't need to know about wizards as long as their chief knows.

I'm not sure the muggle world should learn about the wizard world, it would lead to a too weird situation. It's more a feeling than a rational idea.

And to come back to a previous idea, I hadn't noticed that within the DA group there were three out of four houses. I guess Hermione didn't propose to Slytherin's students because she was afraid Malfoy could hear about it and denounce them.
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