Broomsticks And Owls

by **Mint** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 2:49:24pm

Im really confused. I read the last 5 chapters really fast and since Im sharing the book with my sis. I won't get a chance to reread that part soon enough.

What happen to Voldie? WHat was that thing that cought him? Did he died? Huh? What was worse than death?

Im sooo confused!!!! :???:

help!

by **fra-sirius** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 3:08:34pm

i'm re-reading the last 100-150 pages too ...
albus says that there's something worst than death ... voldemort, thourgh harry, asks DD to kill him .....

i think i'm a bit confused!

by **June** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 3:17:44pm

I'm not sure if I interpreted it correctly, but I'll try to explain.

Voldemort possessed Harry at that last moment. That probably meant that he was Harry and Harry was him at that moment, and hence, taunted Dumbledore, asking Dumbledore to kill Harry since he had said that there are things worse than death. I think he probably believed that Dumbledore wouldn't kill Harry and so, wouldn't be able to kill Voldemort as well.

On the other hand, Harry was able to save himself, because he was thinking of Sirius at that moment, and was filled with love for his godfather. Voldemort, who was sharing the same thoughts and feelings as Harry at that time, couldn't stand that outpouring of love, a power that he did not understand, and probably never will, and so had to leave Harry's body, not being able to possess him. He didn't die though, just escaped together with Bellatrix.

Hopefully, I did interpret that scene correctly... please do correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. =)

by **fra-sirius** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 3:21:52pm

i think you're right ...
i think he has just escaped with that bellatrix, "defeated" by harry and DD, and especially by their love for sirius (harry) and harry (DD)

by **Gwared** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 10:11:14pm

Ok, here's my take:

He is encased in water and disappears

He possesses Harry trying to taunt DD to kill Harry as there are worse things that could happen to him than death. DD loves Harry and has feared his reaction to such taunting throughout the book hence his lack of contact.

Harry's love saved him from possession as V couldn't bear it.

Voldermort must have then reappeared to grab Bellatrix and leave as the MOM people arrive and see him.

by **Ju-DedoH** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 10:16:11pm

I agree with june, simply DD understands VD's strategy and doesn't kill Harry.

by **fra-sirius** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 10:22:07pm

Ju-DedoH wrote:I agree with june, simply DD understands VD's strategy and doesn't kill Harry.

of course DD understood V's strategy ... i think he will not be able to kill anyone ... especially harry

by **Ju-DedoH** » Wednesday 9 July 2003 10:25:30pm

which VD obviously can't concieve since he even had hope that DD would risk Harry's life ... (It is very limited to only know angriness and joy without compassion and friendship)

by **ElijahRain** » Thursday 10 July 2003 11:15:39am

Don't forget that DD also was already aware of what the prophesy said - that Harry or Voldie must kill the other. DD knew he couldn't do it himself anyway, that Harry must kill Voldermort or be killed by him.

by **yasmane** » Thursday 10 July 2003 1:14:24pm

I think the last post shows what it's all about : Harry must kill Voldie (or the contrary, but that would be a pity) and my guess is it will happen at the end of book 7. Well I cannot imagine something else, knowing that JKR will then stop harry's history (unfortunately).

by **Sacred Guardian** » Thursday 10 July 2003 5:32:32pm

of course it will happen in book 7, if it didn't what would JKR write about in book 7 "Harry had a good time in his 7th year and encoutered no danger, the end" so yeah, it'll be book 7

by **Mint** » Thursday 10 July 2003 7:18:23pm

For some reason I thought DD did smth to Voldie (because he said to Voldie that there are things that r worse than death) and while Voldie was struggling he er transmited his emotions into Harry.....

by **Tuima** » Thursday 31 July 2003 5:03:07pm

Ju-DedoH wrote:which VD obviously can't concieve since he even had hope that DD would risk Harry's life ... (It is very limited to only know angriness and joy without compassion and friendship)

ooo... thought. 'k, voldemort knows he gave DD an opportunity to kill him and DD didn't take it. So wouldn't that render useless all DD's efforts to prevent VD learning how close he is to Harry? Since DD didn't take the opportunity, won't that just tell VD how close they are right off? Hmm :-?

by **Meg Boyd** » Thursday 31 July 2003 5:10:28pm

ooo... thought. 'k, voldemort knows he gave DD an opportunity to kill him and DD didn't take it. So wouldn't that render useless all DD's efforts to prevent VD learning how close he is to Harry? Since DD didn't take the opportunity, won't that just tell VD how close they are right off? Hmm

hmmm...i think LV might just consider it to be something about the prophecy

by **Colin** » Thursday 31 July 2003 6:34:24pm

At the point where Harry and LV were entwined and battling, both of them were in a snake form., There were two snakes. Harry has this ability as well as LV.

As mentioned above, Harrys feelings for Sirius overwhelm LV and they broke apart.

Later, in DD's office, Dumbledoree is fiddling with one of his instruments that emits smoke. DD observes that there were TWO. I read this as DD knowing that there were TWO snakes, one of Harry's and one of DDs.

At this point, DD can look at Harry without hiding his feelings for the boy because Harry is NOT under the influence of LV. This was the turning point.

That's how I remember it.

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