Snape and Lily?

[June]

You know, in one of Snape's memories which Harry broke into using the shield spell, "... a girl was laughing as a scrawny boy tried to mount a bucking broomstick"... I was wondering if that girl has been Lily, and that's a reason why he was so jealous of James too... because James was so good on the broomstick, while he, Snape, was terrible at it...

[gecko]

A scrawny boy is the exact thing I imagine when I think of a teenage Snape. So what you're saying is probably true. Snape must have (had) severe emotional problems, so maybe that's why he at first sought refugee with the dark arts and future Death Eaters.

[CT81]

Hmmm, I'm probably gonna get slaughtered for saying this 'cos I know how much everyone loves to hate Snape, but read it anyway and see what you think.

I think the reason Snape didn't want Harry to see that memory isn't so much to do with it being his *worst memory*. What if (shock shock horror horror ) Snape actually cares about Harry, and didn't want Harry to see anything that would diminish his view of James. I know Snape spends most of his time making Harry miserable in lessons, but its possibly that deep down, beyond the trivialities, that Snape cares deeply for Harry.

Just an idea....

I reckon JKR wants people to speculate about Lily and Snape, but really is sending you down the wrong road completely.

[zledm007]

you know CT, that's really an interesting thought. i think it goes beyond him simply caring for him, but he knows how important harry is in the fight against voldy. because of this, he cares for and/or about harry. or maybe not, who knows?

[gecko]

Yeah I too think Snape cares for him, because he probably knows about the prophecy, and how evil Voldemort is, as he was a DE once. But he also hated James, so that's a kind of conflict between those two things.

[HuffleDuck]

i don't really hate Snape at all, but if he cares about harry why did he stopped teaching harry occlumecy when he knows that it's important for harry to learn it. yeah about the girl laughing at him.. im curious too. Wonder if it's reall Lily, but then again Lily hanging around those giggling girls.. Who knows.!

[lucill]

Hi!

Yesterday I came across an Interview with JKR on bloomsbury.com in which she also talks (Or actually stays quiet) *lol* about the snape-Lily issue. She doesn't take sides or what do you think? This is the part I mean:

<they talk about Phoenix>
JP: Are we going to discover anything more about Snape?

JKR: Yes.

JP: And Harry’s mother? Did he have a crush on Harry’s mother or unrequited love or anything like that?

JKR: Hence his animosity to Harry?

JP: Yes.

JKR: You speculate?

JP: I speculate, yes, I’m just asking whether you can tell us.

JKR: No I can’t tell you. But you do find out a lot more about Snape and quite a lot more about him actually.

Is this more a yes or a no? Or is it just a I-keep-my-secrets?

[Meg Boyd]

i think CT81 has the right idea...i'm sure he has some dislike for the traits in Harry that remind him of James but in the long run i'm sure he cares for Harry some what...i mean what if this whole anti-harry thing he has is just a cover story...i mean if he is a spy for the order...that means he must be still considered somewhat of a DE, so maybe he must keep his "hate" for Harry on the surface as to make sure the other DE knows he is still "on their side" (wink wink)

[lucill]

The longer I think about it, the weirder it becomes: I mean I can't imagine snape having a romance with a girl! Somehow it doesn't seem to fit. Can you imagine Snape being in love and having a romace and all that? He's not that type of guy you would find snogging with a girl in an empty classroom, is he? I mean, I really like snape, but to me he seems a bit asexuall in some sort of way. *lol*

[zledm007]

you know, you're right, any snape relationship, past present or future, jus tseems weird. but then again, i've know some people, teachers especially, who i never thought would have any meaningful relationship, who are now married or in other long term relationships. and then there's always the way JKR wrights as well. she always seems to do everything that is unexpected, and the longer we think about any snape relationship, the more impossible it seems. so perhapes, as it seems to become more and more impossible, it is in fact, more and more possible.

[Morgana]

i completly agree with you!!!!! i thought the same thing when i first read that chapter and i think that maybe Lilly had a little crush on Serverus herself, i mean why else would she defend him? but what really boggles my mind is why if she appeared to hate James soo much she ended up married to the guy? maybe were all just imaging things and there were no feeling btwn Snape and Lilly and she was only defending him in the first place to upset James but if my suspisons are true and Snape really did have a thing for Lilly then it could explain even more his deep hatred for James and thus Harry...think about it what if the girl you loved married anthor man and you were forced to teach their child? it'd cause bad fellings in the best of people

[Devinci]

I gotta give Snape kudos for ending up so...razor sharp. He was quite the social misfit, according to OotP, and now...now, he's grown up quite nicely. *Our Serverus blossomed so wonderfully!*
Back in his good old, school days, the idea of him having any sort of physical contact with anyone, man or woman, human or blast-ended skrewt, seems all too absurd. But now, that he's referbished and refined himself...I could see him...gaining the attention of any given person. Not, necessarily, on purpose. But I remember clearly his entrances...he's a powerful character, no doubt.
But alas, the mysteries of his childhood uncovered in the OotP, they kind of...burst my bubble. So much for cool, mysterious Snape...hello sappy little kid...*sob* Darn JK Rowling and her truth revealing...

[lucill]

Lily having a crush on snape is a interesting thought to think about! But I don't believe it, I mean would you fall in love with someone you have to defend? I mean, if you are a girl and you have to fight for your boyfriend INSTEAD of your boyfriend (because he's too weak) you wouldn't be too happy, would you? I think Lily was attracted to James in some sort of way... You know, It are always the "bad guys" who get all the girls

[hpfan4life]

As far as a romantic relationship btwn lily and snape is concerned, i believe that snape had a crush on lily. I also believe that lily might have been in the slytherin house since the series hasn't mentioned with house she's in. And I think that her standing up for snape in the memory harry saw is because of her loyalty to a fellow slytherin. i know the sorting hat song says that only purebloods are sorted into that house, but voldemort was a slytherin and he wasn't pureblood. Also, i think that harry is a decendent of salazar slytherin because he has many slytherin attributes as the sorting hat mentions in the first book, and becasue of his green eyes (the eye thing is just a theory though) i think harry is a decendent of godric gryffindor because he was sorted into the house, his wand shot out the colors red and gold the first time he used it (gryffindor house colors) and godric gryffindor's sword came to harry's aid in chamber of secrets. Therefore, i think that lily was a slytherin and decendent of salazar and james, in gryffindor, was a decendent of godric.

dee =)

[Professor]

It does seem rather mild to be Snape's "worst" memory. Perhaps it is not the worst memory in his life, but Snape's worst memory of James Potter, something he thought he had better not expose Harry to during this time of vulnerability. We've discovered on other occasions that Snape is not as bad as we think.