Loyatly Issues... :evil grin:

[Holly Golightly]

(I thought that I would give this topic a general kind of name, so it will be harder to go off topic!!!)

Anyways, the person who's loyatly I'm thinking about here is Argus Filtch... He's a very strange character isn't he...

What I am most interested in is why he always goes to Snape with new news, not Dumbledore???

My possible options/ideas...

1) Is Snape really not loyal to DD, but is instead to Voldie, and Filtch know about it? Making him loyal to Voldie too?

2) Or, if Snape is loyal to Voldie, does Filtch not know about it, not being aware that he's helping a possible DE out?

3) Or, is Snape really loyal to DD, and Filtch is bringing news to him to spare DD's time... thinking that it would be best not to disturb him unless the info is really important???

So, what thinks everyone?

PS, dont' you just love my smilie???
*I wonder if it worked in the subject bit???*

Holly

[Scellanis]

how do you know that part of snapes job description isnt to supervise filch??

we have dumbledore, followed by mcgonagall...then the next person we always see at any problem is snape...in fact snape is usually dealing with everything until mcgonagall or dumbledore gets there

i think it more likely that argus is bitter and twisted towards students because they have magic and he doesnt so he naturally feels more loyal/whatever to snape who also gives of the bitter and twisted i hate the students kind of vibe...

[Mint]

i think it more likely that argus is bitter and twisted towards students because they have magic and he doesnt so he naturally feels more loyal/whatever to snape who also gives of the bitter and twisted i hate the students kind of vibe...

Thats exactly what I was gonna say!!!

Loyalty...... What about Hermoine and Ron. R they more loyal to DD or Harry? I think Harry. He breaks DDs rules all the time and they still support him.

PS

dont' you just love my smilie???
*I wonder if it worked in the subject bit???*

Love your smile , it didnt make it into the topic though

[Broken Machine]

Filch probably goes straight to Snape because he knows Snape is a jerk half the time. Now were talking about a man who had reminist to Harry and co. about the old days when they used to hang you up by your thumbs "God I miss the screaming". So who better to send students, especially Harry, to? DD who always lets people off the hook because of his ability to see straight to the heart of every action or Snape who is so vindictive that if your not on his good side your in deep dog drool. I doubt he would be doing it for any other reason. There's nothing that anyone could offer him. He's obviously to proud to accept the bargain of becoming a spy for magical power since he is so secretive about his Kwikspell subscription. And I doubt anyone could bribe Mr. Filch with a bath.

The only one who'se loyalty I question is Cornelius Fudge.

[Mint]

Cornelius Fudge?

May be he is loyal to whoever he thinks is powerful and will spare his pittiful life.

I was so mad at the end of last book....I think he will be Harry's enemy.

[Mistress Siana]

Fudge is evil!! Just like everyone else! Muhahahahaha!!!

But honestly, I think there is a dark secret in Fudge's past...
About Ron, I still think it could be possible that he might temporarily be temted by the dark side, but then become loyal to Harry again (could as well be true for Hermione)
Furthermore, I doubt Wormtail's loyality to Voldie, either Crabbes's or Goyle's loyality to Draco and Narcissa's to Lucius.

Actually, I always question everybody's loyality. Btw, which side are you on, hm?

[Mint]

Btw, which side are you on, hm?

hehehe guess

I love your smilies Siana!!!!!!! Esp. the first one!!

[Blaise Zabini]

Ooh, good topic!
We're looking at this from the viewpoint that it's Filch's choice to go to Snape with information. Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe it's Snape thats ordering Filch to come to him first. The one instance I can think of, Filch explicitly said something to the effect of "And you had told me to alert you if anyone was out of bed." Or maybe it's just some wierd hierarchy of Dumbledore's. But, you're right, I've always been a bit put-off by the way Filch is.
Oh, And somewhat similar to the discussion about Madam Rosmerta, he's in the ideal spot to be manipulated by Voldemort and act as a spy.

[Mint]

he's in the ideal spot to be manipulated by Voldemort and act as a spy.

Hmmmm I highly doubt that Filtch is Voldie's spy. He can't even do magic by himself.

[Blaise Zabini]

Oh, I'm not saying that he is, just that his position is ideal if Voldemort was looking for a spy at Hogwarts. And the fact that he's a Squid shouldn't mean much. All he needs to do is listen to the goings-on of Dumbledore&Co. to get all the information he could ever need.

[Scellanis]

lol...Filch is a squid....must be related to the thing in the lake....sorry couldnt help it....i know it was only a typo....he is a bit slimy though...i could definately see the relation....

[Neo]

About Filch being a spy, I don't think DE will ask help to him, they hate all mudbloods and muggles.

About Ron and Hermione, of course they are more loyal to Harry, since there are totally loyal among them (they are friends, no?)

About Filch and Snape, I just think that both like the idea to make students feel bad, so taht's why they get along so well.

[Holly Golightly]

That ime where he went to Snape withthe news, about students ineh restricted section... that was exactly what made me question him... Yes, Snape asked him to come to him withthe info, but Filtch didnt'ahve to do it... I think that he goes to Snape becuase he sees Snape as having the same opinions of the sudents as he does... ie torutring and tormenting them.

But then, my point is, what if Snape is really working for Voldie... A good way to change someone's loyalty is to start off small... first he gets Filtch tgo come to him with little things, then more important and more important, and before you know it, Filtch is a DE aswell!!! Maybe Voldie can give Filtch power of somekind... after all, he's a pureblood, just a squib. If Voldie sees Filtch in a position to be benificial to him, maybe he'll accept him into his followers... and Filtch would see any kind of authority as power, no?

And I totally agree with your Siana about the secret in Fudge's past, and Ron's loyatly issues... I doubt Wormtails loyalty to Voldie, but not Crabbe and Goyle's to Draco, or Narcissa's to Lucious!

[Mistress Siana]

Yeah; I don't think Filch being a squib would be that much of a problem for Voldie either. I believe Voldie acts upon a 'the end justifies the means'-principle. And he doesn't even have to give Filch power in some way or another, it's enough to make him believe he will. He thus wouldn't even act against his ideology. Also, I had the impression that Filch was very ashamed of the fact that he's a squib, so maybe he likes Snape because he gives him the feeling of being important. I think the question is why Snape likes to interact with Filch. Could be explained with what Holly said about Snape's loyalities, hm?

Btw, I question Crabbe's and Goyle's (the younger ones) and Narcissa's loyality for I think it would be an interesting plot if the 'light side' got help from someone that noone would've expected.

[Holly Golightly]

On that last part, I agree taht it would be a good plot twist if something like aht happened, and Narcissa maybe, but I think that Crabbe and Goyle are just too stupid to know any useful info!!!

Unless maybe they are faking it, but somehow I doubt it!!!