Fenir Greyback and werewolves

[Nightcrawler]

Just a thought I had; is Fenir Greyback a wizard? I don't recall him using a wand at all. I know, he preffers to use his teeth, but do we have any evidence whatsoever that he's a wizard?

As for my personal opinion, I think he is. Draco says that Fenir is a family friend, and wizards seem to fear him.

Still, the vast majority of the world's population are muggles. I'm willing to assume that the vast majority of the werewolf population are also muggles (who, because of thier condition, happen to know about the magic world). I mean, if people like Fenir are biting whomever they can, statisticly they are more likely to get a muggle than a wizard.

If this is the case, do you think Voldermort is only using werewolves grudgingly? Only using them becauase they inspire fear quickly? What do you think would become of the werewolf population if Voldermort were able to take over?

I'll admit, I don't really know where I wanted to go with this post. I'm a little tired right now.

My thoughts are that werewolves are damned no matter what they do. They don't fit in with wizards and they don't fit in with muggles. The wizarding commnunity opresses them for being werewolves, and no doubt if Voldermort took over, it would only be a matter of time before he opresses the muggle werewolves for being muggles. I think the only reason they follow Voldermort is because he's feeding them lies, or if Fenir is a wizard; Fenir is feeding them lies. I wonder how Voldermort treated werewolves the last time he was in power?

[Mrs. Luca Black]

Didn't Lupin say something about how only wizards could become werewolves? I believe in the "Very Frosty Christmas" chapter? I could be confused and maybe it's that only wizards can become ghosts? Or only wizards can see ghosts? I know there's an "only wizards" something having to do with a, erm, part human...

I believe that Fenrir Greyback is a wizard because he sticks so close to the wizarding community. He's likely a pure blood wizard as well for people like the Malfoy's to consider him a friend and not a big scary ally.

Also, I think the werewolves, even if some are muggles, serve Voldemort for the same reasons the dementors do: he can make better use of their powers and is willing to give them what they want. In the werewolves case, it's a never ending supply of human flesh on the full moons.

Voldemort seems to have sort of abandoned his whole anti-muggle thing. That may have been what spurred him into wanting to be a great, horrible master of the world, but now he's only concerned with power and killing Harry. I think it's the Death Eaters that are still playing the Muggle card, because they don't have a chance at power with Voldemort around, at least not more power than he'll give them, so they have a bit of spare time to torture Muggles for sport.

[Nightcrawler]

Didn't Lupin say something about how only wizards could become werewolves? I believe in the "Very Frosty Christmas" chapter? I could be confused and maybe it's that only wizards can become ghosts? Or only wizards can see ghosts? I know there's an "only wizards" something having to do with a, erm, part human...

I'll have to re-read that. You may be correct. In OOTP Nick told Harry that only wizards can become ghosts, and Harry found out during his trial that only wizards can see dementors.

I believe that Fenrir Greyback is a wizard because he sticks so close to the wizarding community. He's likely a pure blood wizard as well for people like the Malfoy's to consider him a friend and not a big scary ally.

I agree.

Also, I think the werewolves, even if some are muggles, serve Voldemort for the same reasons the dementors do: he can make better use of their powers and is willing to give them what they want. In the werewolves case, it's a never ending supply of human flesh on the full moons.

But surely not all werewolves are as insane and bloodthirsty as Mr. Greyback. I imagine that quite a few of them are terrified of what they are. Imagine waking up one morning to find that you've just eaten your family.

I figured that the Dementors follow Voldermort because they are inherently evil. They are essentially demons, they suck the happiness right out of the air, and because muggles can't see them, they do it unnoticed. Voldermort would be only too happy if the muggles lost thier morale before the war even started so the Death Eaters and the Dementors are natual allies.

I would think that werewolves are a little more ambiguous. They spend most of thier time in human form. I'm sure there are a handful of psycopaths like Fenir, who worship thier "other nature" but surely most of them are just a bunch of people who live underground simply becuase they aren't welcome above ground. Everyone (but a handful) seem to be prejudiced against werewolves, so naturly the werewolves want things to change.

I guess spending too much time underground with Fenir as your leader would start to change even the best of people.

I wonder what will happen to Bill. Perhaps he'll become something unique? Perhaps able to transform at will? Perhaps able to keep his human mind whilst in wolf form? Perhaps his blood would develop some sort of chemical that could be the cure for lycanthropy?

Ah, well. Just another two years...

[Mrs. Luca Black]

I agree that not all werewolves are as blood thirsty and vicious. I do however think most do harbor ill will against the rest of the population because they have been shunned because of something they could not prevent.

They are not able to have decent work and are forced underground to live like monsters. If you live like a monster and are treated like a monster, chances are you'll become a monster.

There's also Greyback's plan to create his own little army of human-hating werewolves. He bites children, steals them from their families, and trains them in his hateful, horrible ways. He's likely been doing this for years and surely has enough loyal followers to cause major destruction.

As for Bill, I think he'll be a unique case (unique until Greyback does something similar to someone else). I don't think he'll be able to transform at will, I doubt he'll transform at all. I don't think he'll have anymore wolf-like qualities than Lupin does during times other than the full moon. We don't have enough information about these werewolves to really speculate on his condition. So I truely have no idea what will happen perhaps other than aging more quickly like Lupin is doing (more from internal stress than the curse, I believe). I also don't think that we'll get into any cure for lycanthropy (I'd love to see it though and watch Greyback's face when he realizes he's lost that part of himself) just because that's a major occurance and would detract from the storyline.

I have a few questions though and each has been raised by our two werewolf victims being in love. How do you think Bill's bite will affect him and Fleur having kids? Can Lupin and Tonks have kids? If so, will they be werewolf cubs or normal witches and wizards? Also, could the kids inherit mommy's amazing abilities? We might just have a generation of werewolves running around pink hair! And werewolf and veela can't mix well, can it?

[SunsetG|rl]

well bill's and fleur's child is going to be interesting... he's half a wearwolf and she's half a ... (those beautiful creature that charm everybody - i read the romanian version of GoF and they translated every word. i don't know how to call them in english )

and i think that if turning into a wearwolf afects your gennetic structure (i mean it must...) then it must be passeble on to your children. on the other hand, we are talking about the magical people, non-muggle people, they must have different biological laws...or something.

by the way, mrs luca Black, i really liked the ideea of pink wearwolfs. that would be interesting. but it might as well be dangerus if the wearwolf is a metamorphosis as tonks is.(well if he turns out to be evil...though i doubt it can get evil...i mean with lupin as a father and tonks as a mother...)

[glamourweaver]

well bill's and fleur's child is going to be interesting... he's half a wearwolf and she's half a ... (those beautiful creature that charm everybody - i read the romanian version of GoF and they translated every word. i don't know how to call them in english )

Veela

[Mrs. Luca Black]

Technically Fleur is one quarter veela, but close enough. She still can put on the charm and make her hair flutter with no wind. Oh, and prance around like a ballerina, appearently. (heheh, I love Ginny)

[Tanuki]

I'm waiting to see someone smart enough to work the werewolf thing till they can have their human intelligence in a big wolf's body

[SunsetG|rl]

well bill's and fleur's child is going to be interesting... he's half a wearwolf and she's half a ... (those beautiful creature that charm everybody - i read the romanian version of GoF and they translated every word. i don't know how to call them in english )

Veela

actually i did a search on the lexicon right after posting and i got the name i just didn't manage to edit my post then. thanks anyway

and do you think that even if you turn into a wearwolf and you still have your mind...wouldn't it be difficult to manage? i mean your body has some necessities: probably as a wearwolf you feel thirsty for blood or something like this. i think so even with a human mind it might be difficult to manage a wearwolf body.

though there is the case of greyback. when it's not a full moon we can think of him as a human with the mind of a wearwolf. that doesn't seem to stop him acting like a wearwolf (after all he bit bill). and so maybe having the mind of a human while being transformed might be just a change of aparence, and so it would be rather ok for bill (the mind can rule over the body with a little will). though he might turn into a real wearwolf. actually we're not quite sure how his body is going to react to the bite.

[selene]

doesn't the wolfsbane potion helps to keep the mind during the full moon?
i remember lupin saying something like that in poa, that if he drank the potion he wouldn't be dangerous or something

[Tanuki]

True... I'd forgotten aobut the potion, but I thought it just made him not dangerous.

As for Bill, they already said in the last chapter or so of HBP that there was little change, except he looks more like Moody (ya'know, mangled) and he has a taste for very rare steaks. Me personally, I was hoping for taller, buff, hairy and good at hunting, maybe some longer nails

[Mrs. Luca Black]

As for Bill, they already said in the last chapter or so of HBP that there was little change, except he looks more like Moody (ya'know, mangled) and he has a taste for very rare steaks. Me personally, I was hoping for taller, buff, hairy and good at hunting, maybe some longer nails

Nails come with growing, and Fleur might have stuck around for a husband with a mangled face, but do you really think she'd stick around for someone that hairy? Ew. Also, he's already tall, but buffer would have been nice.

[SunsetG|rl]

i think that if fleur really loves him, she'll stick around no matter what. true love has nothing to do with how one looks. and i think she is conscios about the change that might happen to bill. and she is still there for him. and they are still getting married. i mean it is a story, a tale. true love actually happens in stories and movies...

[Mrs. Luca Black]

I need to start putting sarcasm alerts in my posts. The part about her leaving him if he got hairy was just a joke. I know she loves him and is going to stay with him. However, and I mean this seriously, if the uniqueness involves violent behavior, she might not be able to stay with him just for safety reasons. I can't forsee that happening though.

[SunsetG|rl]

i do believe he can't be violent all the time. though he might have his "agression periods" when it might be safer for fleur to step aside. so i guess that it's ok if they don't see each other whenever a fool moon is on the sky.