Potion in the cave.

[child of darkness]

Just as I believe that the only way to get the ring was putting it on, why else would DD have carried it around?

sorry i dont understand this part you said, could you refresh my memory please

[dibble2]

What I don't quite get is (in case the potion was made by Voldemort himself) if Voldemort decided to take the horcux from the cave and rehide it, would he be able to drink the potion alone?

I think Voldemort would be able to drink the potion alone, the same potion Dumbledore drank, without suffering the ill effects. The reason I think this is because Dumbledore saw something horrible, something having to do with other people suffering. If the potion affects every wizard the same way, then any decent wizard would be crippled by the scenes. Of course, Voldemort wouldn't care at all if he saw people suffering in his mind, so he could go on drinking the potion all day.

[redhead_723]

I think Voldemort would be able to drink the potion alone, the same potion Dumbledore drank, without suffering the ill effects. The reason I think this is because Dumbledore saw something horrible, something having to do with other people suffering. If the potion affects every wizard the same way, then any decent wizard would be crippled by the scenes. Of course, Voldemort wouldn't care at all if he saw people suffering in his mind, so he could go on drinking the potion all day.

Thats a good thought, I was more thinking that he would have brought someone with him to drink it but it is possible that it would just not affect him or affect him but it wouldnt matter to him like you said above.

[Augusta Longbottom]

I think Voldemort would be able to drink the potion alone, the same potion Dumbledore drank, without suffering the ill effects. The reason I think this is because Dumbledore saw something horrible, something having to do with other people suffering. If the potion affects every wizard the same way, then any decent wizard would be crippled by the scenes. Of course, Voldemort wouldn't care at all if he saw people suffering in his mind, so he could go on drinking the potion all day.

Yes, that is a good thought. Also, something you mentioned reminded me...
As I was rereading the book I paid closer attention to this part. When DD is drinking the potion, he speaks in a voice unfamiliar to Harry. He says "don't hurt them...please...hurt me instead" or something to that effect...so I wonder, had Tom Riddle brought 3 ppl to the caves, 2 children and someone else. The 3rd person he could have killed to create the horcrux. I wonder if the voice Harry is hearing when DD is pleading is the person who TR killed that day. If you want to take a look at the passage I'm referring to, it's on p 572 US ed, Chapter 26

[gadfly22]

He says "don't hurt them...please...hurt me instead" or something to that effect

My initial thought when I read that was that Dumbledore was channeling James in some way -- stepping in front of Lily and Baby Harry.

Which raises another thought for me: Harry was protected because his mother gave her life to save him. If Dumbledore is really dead, perhaps he gave his life to save Harry in order to confer another layer of protection on him -- a layer that would work even if the Lily protection ever wore out.

[Augusta Longbottom]

That hadn't occured to me -- channelling James on the night of his murder...good point. Also, I bet that would be true...that DD could offer further protection if he died to protect HP because he too would have done it for love. It's apparent in OotP that DD truly loves HP. (not in any weird sort of way...just as a parental type of figure)

[Froggs]

The ancient magic that Lilly envoked was a blood thing I think, I was also under the impression that she didn't envoke it on purpose, that it was something that just came about given the circumstances. DD, if he died according to some plan of his own, may have been envoking another ancient love induced magic, but it seems too obvious. I still think that DD didn't plan on dying, but not many people agree with me on that one!

[Imelyen]

I wonder who was with R.A.B. when he took the Horcrux, as we clearly see that two people would need to be there to take it (my thoughts are that it was Dumbledore). As far as people with the dark mark being able to drink the potion...that would be stupid, as Voldemort doesn't have a Dark Mark on his arm...thus the reason he needs to touch the mark on one of his Death Eaters.

[Athena Appleton]

and how many people know about the horcuxes?
i think most witches and wizards don't even know what a horcrux is.
and even if they know what it is, they probably won't know where to look
if it took dd that long ...

As I've mentioned elsewhere, my HBP book is still packed up. Didn't Dumbledore himself say he didn't fully understand Horcruxes?

[dibble2]

When DD is drinking the potion, he speaks in a voice unfamiliar to Harry. He says "don't hurt them...please...hurt me instead" or something to that effect...so I wonder, had Tom Riddle brought 3 ppl to the caves, 2 children and someone else. The 3rd person he could have killed to create the horcrux. I wonder if the voice Harry is hearing when DD is pleading is the person who TR killed that day.

I like it. Kind of like The Shining...the cave holds traces of the events that happened there. He wouldn't have been able to make that potion when he was little, of course. That might be a sticking point in the theory...

[Augusta Longbottom]

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He wouldn't have been able to make that potion when he was little, of course. That might be a sticking point in the theory...

Oh yea, duh...I didn't even think of that...lol! Another theory shot all to h*ll!

[annachie]

It doesn't follow that he made either the potion or the horcrux immediatly after the attorcity that appears to have taken place in the cave, but many years later. Indeed it was years later when he learned about horcruxes and many more, it seems, before he learned how to make them.

[espionage]

When DD is drinking the potion, he speaks in a voice unfamiliar to Harry. He says or something to that effect...so I wonder, had Tom Riddle brought 3 ppl to the caves, 2 children and someone else. The 3rd person he could have killed to create the horcrux. I wonder if the voice Harry is hearing when DD is pleading is the person who TR killed that day.

voldemort didnt even know about horcruxes until he had been at hogwarts for at least a couple of years, so the making the horcrux in the cave had nothing to do with the orphans VD took down there as a kid. Also, I think the orphanage woman might have noticed had one of her charges disappeared!
I am interested in the potion though...dumbledore said "don't hurt them...please...hurt me instead" and I have been thinking the potion must have had some effect on all other wizards that voldemort wouldnt feel...and what have we been told over and over is what differentiates voldemort form other wizards? the ability to love. to me it sounds exactly as though the potion in some way tortures the drinker through their ability to love and so would not bother voldemort in the least. ironic as this has always been highlighted as Voldemorts greatest weakness...

[Athena Appleton]

Now THAT is interesting! Nice thought.

[dibble2]

Right, that's what I was thinking. The love part especially makes sense because even the most vile Death Eater wouldn't have torn his soul into seven pieces like Voldemort. I think his mutilated soul has something to do with it.