Dumbledore's death, a ruse? *theory discussion*

[Froggs]

DD was always talking about ancient magic, there is no telling what came about after his death as far as spells he may have cast and what they can do. <crossing fingers> Here's Hoping

[dibble2]

Too bad Dumbledore wouldn't be one to make a Horcrux. Well, maybe that's not a bad thing...

[digby202]

WHY does DD trust Snape? Surely he couldnt have been fooled so easily, since alot of emphasis is put on DD being able to "See right through" everyone, including VD. Although, Snape takes pride in his acting skills.

[Fweegal]

thats a good point actually, that would link in well with dumbledores strong emphasis on the importance of love, and him doing would show another person dying for the love of harry

Maybe DD's gay.
He is abnormally fond of Harry. God knows why, coz I hate the moody little brat!

[Froggs]

WHY does DD trust Snape? Surely he couldnt have been fooled so easily, since alot of emphasis is put on DD being able to "See right through" everyone, including VD. Although, Snape takes pride in his acting skills.

Surely that is something we will find out in book 7, through the penseive?

[Libby Lovegood]

Ok here is something me and a friend were talking about.

All through the HBP comments were made about how old and tired DD was getting, also he was badly injured with his hand. Snape was still not completely trusted by many death eaters and so i think DD planned for Snape to kill him to gain their trust. I mean after DD and Voldermort i think Snape is the next powerfull wizard, i mean at the age of 16 or whatever he made up spells and learnt how to make potions better which we learnt through the HBP's spell book Harry had.

I think DD is dead but that it was a planned death. I hope there is a way for him to come back but i think that is unlikely!

Also at the end of the book when they are all in the hospital the teachers and Harry all keep mentioning how DD had a very good reason to trust Snape although he never told them what it was, and i feel JK did this to emphasise DD's trust in Snape and DD has never been wrong yet. He knows everything that happens in the castle and he knew Draco had been asked to kill him.

Lol, sorry i find it hard to write what i am thinking but thats the jist of it!

[Froggs]

Comment on Libby's idea

I think that is a good thought, but I have a hard time picturing DD asking anyone to kill anyone, including himself...it seems to go against what he stands for. Don't get me wrong, I think DD wouldn't bat an eye if needed to die to protect someone else, I just can't see him asking anyone to kill, do you know what I mean?

[Snow_Crystal]

Here's a thought... Lily died placing protection over Harry... what if DD wanted to die so he could place another type of protection over Harry that we haven't heard of yet?

Lily's protection was her dying to save him.

My exact point, your point being...?

It wasn't a conscious magical decision.
And DD didn't die to protect Harry.

Fweegal, Dumbledore had provided Lily and James with information about ancient magic so that if LV did attempt an attack on them, they would have the means to be able to protect Harry so it was a conscious decision. We learn about that in GOF when Voldemort admits to his DE's that he had not foreseen that the Potters would use that particular ancient magic.

Also whether Snape and DD had a silent agreement or not we have no idea and can only speculate, but if DD asked Snape to kill him all for the sake of protecting Harry don't forget that protection can take all sorts of forms.

It can be protection:
1) from the actual scenario they were in - so no harm would come to Harry or to prevent him from being captured before destroying the horcruxes, therefore further protecting the odds that Harry will defeat LV in the last book
2) saving Harry's life (but I don't think he could have used the exact same protection as Lily did because I think that was through a blood link unless of course he really was related to Harry in some way),
3) protecting a witness to the events DD knew were about to happen (so that Snape's true allegiance/cover was not blown)
4) protecting Harry from the truth so that it would not expose him in the future
5) something else.

At this stage, keep an open mind..

Maybe DD's gay. He is abnormally fond of Harry. God knows why, coz I hate the moody little brat!

PS If you hate the "moody little brat", why read about him?

[Fweegal]

I like a lot of the other characters!

I think Lily protected Harry out of instinct, I don't believe she knew that her death would ensure his survival. I don't think anyone did, seeing as everyone was amazed he survived.

I think a lot of the "ancient magic" mentioned is naturally occuring, not conjured up.

[thestral]

PS If you hate the "moody little brat", why read about him?

I like a lot of the other characters!

i hear ya!!! until book 5, the only reason i read on, was the other characters and slightly because i wanted to see harry die at the end, mwahahaha...

but that changed with this book. although there's still one book left for me to change my mind about him again...

[Pattenrond]

Here's something I posted in another place around that forum, I thought it would fit in this section. It's about why DD had to die and eventually knew about it. As we know, he's the only one to know the entire prophecy made to Harry. Could it be that there was another part in it, a part that had to do with DD himself, of the role he had to play in the whole story? Maybe he left that part out when he told it to Harry? That would explain why nobody could listen to the recording of the prophecy in book n°5, not even Harry, before it broke.

And there's something else: isn't it strange that a great wizard like DD could not recognize the fake of the locket-horcrux before getting it? Was it so well faked... or did DD know it from the beginning and only wanted Harry to know about RAB??

[dibble2]

I don't think he was in any state to recognize it was a fake.

[Augusta Longbottom]

And there's something else: isn't it strange that a great wizard like DD could not recognize the fake of the locket-horcrux before getting it? Was it so well faked... or did DD know it from the beginning and only wanted Harry to know about RAB??

Now that's a great question. I hadn't thought of that angle....I'd just assumed DD hadn't noticed because of the evil poison he'd just drank. But hmmm...that could be something to consider for sure.

[Fantasy girl]

i agre i think even a great wizard like DD could have not relized it after he drank the potion. and in the end it wasn't that much worth. he may have wanted harry to find out about RAB

[Salazar Slytherin]

yea dd has to be dead the picture is up in mconagol's (did i spell that right?) office