He had to die

[Stumpy]

that is a strong possability but i doubt DD would've just believed him the thing that DD new must have been pretty good proof that he was on his side! Whereas LV didnt need that as he thought he had a spy on the inside and if he betrayed him he probably wouldnt care as LV thought he only needed himself

[darby]

I was curious as to why people feel that Dumbledore was pleading with Snape? The book says he speaks Snapes name quite softly. DD says "Severus....", almost as if to get his attention so that he realizes he is there. The second time DD only says "Severus...please..." DD drew attention to himself on purpose, I just can't hear the pleading in voice when I read those words. DD is always so calm and collected when he speaks, that is what I hear. The "please" may have ment proceed. I can change the picture in my head depending on how I envision DD speaking those words. Any thoughts?

[Enchanter]

i'm almost positive it says that Dumbledore sounded like he was pleading.

[Ginny Potter]

i'm almost positive it says that Dumbledore sounded like he was pleading.

I think it read that it sounded like to Harry Dumbledore was pleading, and of course Harry took that as Dumbledore was pleading for his life, when he could have been pleading (if he was pleading at all) for Severus to follow through on his promise to Dumbledore...we always see it from Harry's eyes, so to me, it's always a little subjective...

[Stumpy]

I agree wit Ginny, Harry's going to take it like that as Harry has always suspected Snape and always jumps to the worst conclusion bout him. Maybe DD knew this which is y he chose those words?!?

[Enchanter]

I really don't feel that dumbledore was pleading for snape to kill him. I also don't think he was pleading for his life. I honestly don't have a clue what dumbledore would plead for. But i'd bet my life it isn't those two things.

[Froggs]

I really don't feel that dumbledore was pleading for snape to kill him. I also don't think he was pleading for his life. I honestly don't have a clue what dumbledore would plead for. But i'd bet my life it isn't those two things.

I totally agree with you

[crystallised_pineapple]

yeah i was so sure he was pleading... but now, as with a lot of other things in that scene i'm not so sure...

it really does seem like snape is indeed bad, but then again it seems too simple... and also dumbledore never thought so...

lol it's so confusing!!

[Fweegal]

DD's meant to be hyper intelligent.

I don't think faith could have blinded him completely if Snape was betraying him.

[cokeboy99]

It seemed to me the reason Snape didn't do anything to Harry when he was chasing them is cuz Snape told the others to leave Harry for the Dark Lord, that was their orders? I am sure Snape is a bad guy....and will not return to the good side. That is my opinion.

[Froggs]

I was wondering, don't you think DD was worried about what would happen to Harry if his body bind jinx was lifted? After all, DD would know that Hp would be left on the roof top with 4 DEs. Surely he would have fought to protect HP? That leads me to believe that he really was shocked that Snape was a bad guy, or that he was secure in the knowledge that Snape would direct the DE's away from HP after DD was killed, if you go with the mind communication theory...which means...I don't know, what does that mean?

[Dacre]

I think one imprtant point to remember is that DD KNEW Snape had made an unbreakable oath, and he knew Malfoy was out to kill him. So he MUST have realised either he or Snape HAD to die. I think he decided it was best that he died rather than Snape.
Tho I still think it's a trick and DD is alive (tho. said before this is more because I want to believe this)

[Fweegal]

Nah. I think he's dead.

The wizarding world-and Harry-have to be stripped of their final thread of defence before it's all over.

I expect LV will be on some bender now that he is gone.

[Snow_Crystal]

I think DD froze Harry so that Harry would 1) not interfere with the situation and 2) to prevent harry from being captured at this point - after all if Harry had been captured at this point, all of the lessons with DD would not pay off.

DD wants Harry to finish what (at this point) he thinks he's started before facing LV.

Froggs, I'm totally confused by your comment...

I really don't feel that dumbledore was pleading for snape to kill him. I also don't think he was pleading for his life. I honestly don't have a clue what dumbledore would plead for. But i'd bet my life it isn't those two things.

Betting your life on something is a little strong don't you think? Don't even go there. I reckon he was pleading with Snape to carry through a plan that he had in mind. That plan may have included his death but this is not absolute.

Maybe at this point it is important that Snape stay alive to continue a plan they've worked out... he would not have been able to follow this through if he dropped dead as a result of the unforgivable vow.

[Froggs]

Froggs, I'm totally confused by your comment...

I really don't feel that dumbledore was pleading for snape to kill him. I also don't think he was pleading for his life. I honestly don't have a clue what dumbledore would plead for. But i'd bet my life it isn't those two things.

Betting your life on something is a little strong don't you think? Don't even go there. I reckon he was pleading with Snape to carry through a plan that he had in mind. That plan may have included his death but this is not absolute.

Maybe at this point it is important that Snape stay alive to continue a plan they've worked out... he would not have been able to follow this through if he dropped dead as a result of the unforgivable vow.

Actually, I didn't write that, just agreed with it. But you're right, I don't think I'd bet my life on anything that had to do with someone's book! However, it does seem weird that DD was so...weak? Or... weak sounding maybe...