What happens...?

[Mistress Siana]

The prophecy says that, as far as Harry and Voldemort are concerned, "either must die by the hands of the other." Now I wonder...what happens if someone other casts Avada Kedavra on either LV or Harry? It it just futile or does it backfire in some kind of way? What I find noticeable is that noone ever tried. DD never tried to kill LV, and Lucius Malfoy seemed quite eager to keep his fellow DEs from trying to kill Harry...

[Phinea Rogue]

I've been wondering about that too and I'm curious about how will JKR explain it. Well, when Voldie tried Avada Kedavra on Harry, it didn't kill him, but that was because of Lily (but it reversed, didn't it, and it didn't kill Voldie too...). I think it may be futile when someone other than Voldemort or Harry tries it, but since no one has tried it yet... I don't know.

[Female_alien]

I haven't wondered about that at all ( ) but now you've said it... it makes me think. As phiena allready said, noone really tried it. And I know if that's intentional or not, but we can't know what would happen. Now I'm really keen on finding out how will JK explain it

[Rebecca Spinnet]

I suppose that the prophecy knows what will happen it is not really protection or anything it is just the way it is, so if you go by that no one will ever try Avada Kedarva on harry or voldemort except maybe them on eachother does that make sense or am i just babbleing...

[fierce]

JK said something about this on her site - that a question which hasn't been asked (or that she hasn't been asked or seen asked) was why Dumbledore didn't try to kill Voldemort when he had the chance (in the ministry of magic building)

I've said this before, but now I'm thinking that this is just a little more proof to fuel the theory, but I believe that harry has to die for voldemort to die. JK also said something about how voldemort mentioned the ways he had made sure he was still able to come back again. I think that he cast a spell that means that his and harry's lives are entwined. or more specifically, their life forces (sounds like star wars now - the force is strong in this one). But seriously, that is so what's going to end up happening. Harry and voldemort will have to die at the same time. With Harry still alive, voldemort lives on, if only through the aspects of himself that he transferred to harry (such as parsel tongue). I also think that had something to do with why the sorting hat had such trouble sorting him in the beginning. There was something more there.

anyways, i'm blabbering again. sorry about that! hope you get what i'm trying to say though.

[Female_alien]

(sounds like star wars now - the force is strong in this one).

lol

Fierce, you're not blabbering. I got what you mean and you definitely convinced me in your theory. (actually, I'm really easy to get convinced in something, but anyways...) Your theory really has sense!!! And although it's sad that Harry has to die for Voldermort to die and it's really hard to imagine Harry to die in the last book, it's very possible

[Phinea Rogue]

For me the line "either must die by the hands of the other, for neither can live while the other survives (or how it is...)" always meant that they both have to die, but then I'm not a native speaker and I've been persuaded in this forum that it doesn't have to be like that. It would be sad if Harry died, but it does make a sense. Yet I hope that he'll survive and I wonder what would happen if someone else than him Kedavred Voldie.

[Mistress Siana]

Altough I'm not entirely sure, I tend to believe that both Harry and Voldie will die. Good theory fierce!

[Phinea Rogue]

JK said something about this on her site - that a question which hasn't been asked (or that she hasn't been asked or seen asked) was why Dumbledore didn't try to kill Voldemort when he had the chance (in the ministry of magic building)

I've just found it...

If you want to speculate on anything, you should speculate on these two things, which will point you in the right direction. The first question that I have never been asked -- it has probably been asked in a chatroom but no one has ever asked me -- is, "Why didn't Voldemort die?" Not, "Why did Harry live?" but "Why didn't Voldemort die?" The killing curse rebounded, so he should have died. Why didn't he? At the end of Goblet of Fire he says that one or more of the steps that he took enabled him to survive. You should be wondering what he did to make sure that he did not die -- I will put it that way. I don't think it is guessable. It may be -- someone could guess it -- but you should be asking yourself that question, particularly now that you know about the prophesy. I'd better stop there or I will really incriminate myself.

The other question that I am surprised no one has asked me since Phoenix came out -- I thought that people would -- is why Dumbledore did not try to kill Voldemort in the scene in the ministry. I know that I am giving a lot away to people who have not read the book. Although Dumbledore gives a kind of reason to Voldemort, it is not the real reason. When I mentioned that question to my husband -- I told Neil that I was going to mention it to you -- he said that it was because Voldemort knows that there are two more books to come. As you can see, we are the same literary wavelength. [Laughter.] That is not the answer; Dumbledore knows something slightly more profound than that. If you want to wonder about anything, I would advise you to concentrate on those two questions. That might take you a little bit further.


Okay, so we may go on wondering...

*wonders* If only Harry can kill Voldy and Voldy Harry, then why didn't he die? I think that he's not really human, he has done something ... some steps forward immortality. And it may be possible that if someone tries to kill either HP or LV, they die and therefore Dumbledore didn't try it.

[Meg Boyd]

Well I think it all has to go back to the theory from the prophesy that the chosen one has the power the dark lord has not...

i believe it is the power of love that harry has over voldie that caused the deflection of the AK curse. It made it bounce off Harry and on to Voldie, but Voldie doesn't have the human in him to die...that is until he became connected with Harry...and they now share one life force...and neither can LIVE while the other SURVIVES...they both might have a body, but the life with in that body is shared, and neither can have a full and wonderful life until the other dies....

IMHO

[Imelyen]

I think the whole thing with Harry and Voldemort sharing a life force is complete hogwash. The prophecy says either must die at the hand of the other. If Harry kills Voldemort he, Harry, would die. But the prophecy says Voldemort is the only one who can kill him, which would effectively stop Harry from being able to destroy himself. As far as why Dumbledore didn't try to kill Voldemort in the Ministry of Magic. I believe he knew it would be a futile attempt because he knows Harry is the only one who can do it.
Voldemort was the one who created the Avada Kadavra curse, and since he taught his followers how to use it, he would, of course, have found a way to guard himself from it (evil people have a tendancy of betraying their masters when they have received all they can from them), expecting betrayal from within.
When Dumbledore says that Voldemort transfered powers to Harry when he failed to kill him, it means that he gave Harry the extra boost in power that he was lacking to be Voldemorts equal (the prophecy he would mark him as his equal).

[Manticore]

where does it ever say that voldemort created the avanda kedavra curse, i think it has been around for a long time, he was just effective at using it, along with the other unforgivable curses

[Imelyen]

Thought it said he created it, sorry. Been a while since i read book 4 (though with book 6 so close to being released, i will have to remedy the situation). But still, he is Voldemort, and while there may be no countercurse for it, i'm sure he could make it so it would only destroy part of him, and not his entire being.

[Nikki]

well, we'll only have to wait 14 more days left until we see who made up it, but even so it might ot tell..........

[Manticore]

well i mean, he did, we know that, that is why he lost his power, it was said throughout the book many times by many people (hagrid, voldemort himself, maybe dumbledore, others?) that he had taken precautions against death, and that is why when he tried to kill harry (AK curse) and it rebounded, voldemort didn't die