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Dumbledore vs. Voldemort, who would win???

Dumbledore
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69%
Voldemort
9
23%
Harry could take them both!
3
8%
 
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Postby Marcus Baker » Monday 4 August 2003 9:00:12pm

This is my opinion of this topic. I think Dumbledore would loose to Voldemort, no matter how tough he is. I have a wierd feeling that DD will die to Voldie, and then Harry Will kill him. There is no doubt that harry will kill voldie, (unless jkr has a wicked plan), but this is just my opionion.
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Postby FiReBoLt » Tuesday 5 August 2003 1:33:33pm

Okay, I personally think that in the end VD will duel with DD. but DD will be killed during battle, (because we know that DD WILL NOT kill VD (prophecy)) then harry would kill VD right after seeing DD die, and because of the rage he would probably use the AK!! it would be a nice way of killing VD, with HIS own tricks.
now, DD is too important to just die of age, so i bet J.K Rowling will kill him in the duel, just like she did with Sirius...
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Postby Meg Boyd » Tuesday 12 August 2003 2:52:20am

hmmm...it just seems to star warsish for DD to die at the hand of LV...

I have my own theory of what will happen...but it is too outrageous to explain it properly...

as for harry using his rage to use AK to kill LV...i don't think that will work...rage and hate is what voldie thrives on, and i think it will take love and FORGIVNESS to rid the world of the dark lord.
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Postby Eol » Tuesday 12 August 2003 8:05:38am

Meg no offence, but that seems to be a bit corny. I agree that Voldy won't be killed by the AK curse, but I doubt that Harry's character will allow him to forgive Voldy. We've seen that he feels little sympathy for people he doesn't like. I think he's on the verge of realising the harshness of life, and for him to prevail against Voldy, he has to be equally harsh. I just hope he doesn't turn into a complete cynic on the way.
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Postby Meg Boyd » Tuesday 12 August 2003 1:21:46pm

sorry if this seems harsh, but what else is he going to use to rid LV???? His wand doesn't work, and fawkes can't keep showing up. As we see in the DoM, it is Harry's love for Sirius that forces LV out of his body...now one the greatest acts of love is forgiveness...to forgive and forget...not only would this make a cool ending (because it will bring lots of conflict because we all know Harry is far from forgiving that lot) and it will also teach us very important life lesson.

Oh well, it's just my opinion anyway
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Postby highsorcerer » Tuesday 12 August 2003 5:46:04pm

But Harry has power the dark lord does not. Love. It remains to me be seen how this power will ultimately defeat Voldemort, but it will. His love for Sirius kicked Voldemort out of his attempt to possess him. The love sacrifice his mother gave to him gave him power to defeat Quirrel in book 1.

Ultimately, it might take a tremendous sacrifice of the death of Harry's loved ones, but it will give him the power to finally defeat him. Not with hate or vengence. But with love for the one who have his (or her) life so that Harry could defeat him. Maybe it's Mrs. Weasley. Harry isn't her son, but she loves him as one. And Harry has never cared that the Weasley's were poor. It's a contrast between his muggle world (where he has no friends or money) and his wizard world (where he is famous and rich).

It's also a contrast between himself and Malfoy. Draco has money, but is selfish and greedy with it, using it to try to buy a winning Quidditch team. Harry, on the other hand, bought his friends thoughtful gifts (omnicoulars) and always felt guilty the Weasley's (or the Diggories) wouldn't accept his gift of money. Harry never felt right about winning the triwizard tournament, and finally gave away his winnings to Fred and George to help them start a business they'd be great at. All he asked in return was for Fred and George to get Ron some new dress robes. And while Ron and Hermoine were shocked at what he did, Harry ultimately knows he was right. Molly and Arther still love and accept their sons, even if they didn't do what Molly wanted them to do. George and Fred did what THEY wanted to do. And after Percy; Molly might know that pushing her dreams on her children is wrong. Fred and George greeted the family at the station in the end. Percy didn't. And even if George and Fred didn't enter the ministry of magic, they still have ties to their family. What is ultimately good is that the Weasley twins are leading their own lives, but still respect their family. Percy is as well, but is not. And it's his fault. Arthur and Molly still reach out to him, but he rejects them.

And isn't not visiting your injured father in the hospital something bad? While there are some things not forgivable, what Percy did was inexcusable. He only wanted MoM power, not matter what the price. He's more like Lord Voldemort in that respect.
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Postby Eol » Tuesday 12 August 2003 7:24:50pm

I agree with you Meg that an ending like that does have its merits. While I would like it to end happily ever after, I don't want to see Harry Potter with a fairy tale ending at the same time. I know I've just contradicted myself there but the story has strayed so far away from the typical (children's) story mould and brought us many harsh realities, such as the deaths, that I would feel somewhat cheated if it ended like that. Oh I'm just confused.

If your ending happened, Harry would be able to carry on his life untainted by murder. However, if a more harsh ending occured it may tie in better with the story so far.
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Postby Meg Boyd » Tuesday 12 August 2003 11:41:09pm

I don't know why I feel that forgiveness is they key, but I do. But hey, the theme of the book is rumored to be the choices between what is right and what is easy...it is easy for Harry murder LV, but it is right to forgve him...
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Postby highsorcerer » Wednesday 13 August 2003 5:23:57am

Harry has already shown forgiveness when he spared Peter. It would have been easy to let Sirius and Lupin to kill the man who destroyed his family, but it wasn't right. He asked only for justice - the betrayer to go to Azkaban and the dementors. Plus, Harry knew the full effect of dementors.
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Postby Jotomicron » Monday 15 September 2003 11:19:53am

I think Voldemort will win because a lack of luck from DD (that is to say that VD will be lucky). However, DD will hurt VD a lot and make him almost faint (but not die, cause of the prophecy). Harry will see it all, and then finish what DD started.

I am totally against the last option. Harry won't sacrificate DD as DD didn't do it with Harry.

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Postby Ju-DedoH » Monday 15 September 2003 4:51:16pm

I don't think it will be that easy for harry (or that he would finish him off), DD is getting old, and may not be there anymore when harry finally duels LV ...
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Postby Jotomicron » Monday 15 September 2003 4:58:49pm

Well, now that you say it... I must agree. I haven't thought about DD being all that old. However, I don't know if Harry will face hima alone. He now has his the DA partners. But who knows... Two books to the end, and several more years to wait. JKR might (and will) think of something to surprise us...
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Postby Gower » Monday 15 September 2003 9:52:50pm

I think DD could take Voldemort any day in a duel. You saw how confident he was in book 5, just strolling up to Voldemort and chatting casually.
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Postby maeve_aislinn » Thursday 18 September 2003 3:03:18pm

Phoenix wrote:When the seventh month dies..... at this time Neville was born, too.....
What, if Neville must kill Voldemort, and not Harry?


Hello..

Well I think it could be Neville who rescrue DD and Harry and die
at the end but we all know JKR - the bigger part Neville plays in book 5
could also be a diversion - and in the end - it could be Harry who
defeated Voldemort - we will see. :D
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Postby AccioNiffler » Saturday 20 September 2003 3:03:39pm

So you think that Harry will kill LV but Neville will save DD? I think that that is possible. Because Neville is supposed to play a bigger part, so if Harry dies (which is what I think will happen) Neville can step in and take over, starting off with saving DD...
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