wormtail, harry and voldemort

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wormtail, harry and voldemort

Postby robertpcx » Saturday 17 May 2003 3:06:18pm

harry let wormtail live which is a debt he owes harry, then wormtail sacrifices his hand in order to bring voldemort to life so maybe the debt wormtail owes harry was vested to voldemort. Dumbledor thought letting wormtail live was great magic.

It seems harry is good at gathering allies too. dobby was freed by harry and harry's only requested repayment from dobby was that dobby not try to save harry's life again.
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Postby Beccaroo » Saturday 17 May 2003 10:50:17pm

hmmm, interesting!

It all gets a bit confusing for me when i start thinking about in depth things like that, but it sounds like the sort of thing that i wouldn't be shocked by if it happened in teh next book. Then again, it is a clever twist in the plot so i probably would be shocked! OH dear, i'm rambling, er...bye!
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Postby azn wizard » Sunday 18 May 2003 5:04:24am

well, wormtail isn't exactly dead, so he is still capable of returning the debt he owes harry. as for the debt voldemort owes wormtail, voldemort has enough power to grant wormtail anything....so that debt won't be hard to pay
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Postby Holly Golightly » Sunday 18 May 2003 6:16:32am

I like the theory, but I dont' think that it will work out that way robertpcx.

I thnk that that the debt will stay with Wormtail, and then, at some point later in the books, wormtail will ahve to do something that will cause harry's death, and he won't be able to... as harry spared his life once... something along those lines!

Maybe Voldie will almost totally kill Harry doing somehting or other, and tell Wormtail to dinish it off, and leave *as bad guys always do in movies, especially James Bond!!! :grin: * and then womrtail will spare Harry, Voldie will think he's dead....well, etc etc!

Did that make sense???
*maybe I' ve just seen too many JBond movies! :-? *
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Sunday 18 May 2003 4:48:56pm

yeah, i agree, i don't think that it is like Harry's love protection, i just think it is an impenatrable bond that wormtail can't break
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Postby Mistress Siana » Sunday 18 May 2003 9:10:57pm

Holly, I don't think it is very likely for Voldie to let someone else kill Harry. The thought of avenging himself on Harry and see himm die is something that kept him alive for more than a decade, so I believe he will keep that 'previledge' for himself.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Monday 19 May 2003 1:21:12am

Yeah, neither do I really, just thought that it might be an interesting scenario!

Just too many moveis!
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Postby Mistress Siana » Monday 19 May 2003 1:48:03pm

To be honest, I think you'd definately insult JKR by comparing HP to James Bond stories...
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Postby Neo » Monday 19 May 2003 4:55:45pm

Yeah, I mean Harry isn't surrounded by beatiful women all the time, :razz: (now that I think it would be agod idea, specially in the movies :grin:

And the bond between Harry and Wormtail isn't a physic one, so ig Peter used his hand to recover Voldermort bodfy ti has nothing to do weth it, and therefore it won't be passed to Voldemort (the debt of Wormtail with HarrY)
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Monday 19 May 2003 11:51:53pm

yeah, i don't think wormtail will let harry be killed, at least as long as he is alive, so i think Voldemort will end up killing wormtail, then try to kill harry
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Postby Neo » Tuesday 20 May 2003 3:54:19am

I think wormtail will help Harry, but not neccesarily save him.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Tuesday 20 May 2003 6:00:32am

I agree with 12321, that wormtail wont' let Harry die, so Voldie will kill him!

Also, though I dont' agree that wormtail can/has passed on the bond through his flesh, remember that Harry passed his mothers protective love bond through his blood... :-?
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Postby Mistress Siana » Tuesday 20 May 2003 10:01:37am

I think Wormtail can't kill Harry...but does that mean he will save him?
What actually is it that happens when you die without repaying a dept?
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Postby littlelib » Tuesday 20 May 2003 3:10:36pm

Hum, good theory Holly :D but like the others said a bit unlikely! I dunno what happens if you die without paying a dept - maybe you will suffer or maybe nothing happens. Also would someone like wormtail repay his bet i mean would something MAKE him? Cos he is pretty low anyway isnt he so why wouldnt he go lower?
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Postby Holly Golightly » Tuesday 20 May 2003 4:23:07pm

Umm, I dont' think that anything actually happens if you dont' repay the debt... like if you die before you have the oppurtunity or something...

littlelib wrote: Also would someone like wormtail repay his bet i mean would something MAKE him?


DD said in the end of the 3rd book... "When one wizard saves another wizard, it creates a certain bond between then...
This is magic at it's most deepest, it's most impenetrable, Harry."


I think that it will be like Peter will feeled compeled to save Harry, or whatever, obligated and the like. Like though Snape hates Harry, he feelt obligated to try to save him int he quidditch game because of James... no? :-?
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