Harry's Money

[pandora315]

Does anyone know the timeline of when the potters went into hiding or when the prophesy was made? I've always thought they went into hiding becuase LV knew they were in the order and was trying to off them, not because f Harry, but maybe I'm wrong?

[Athena Appleton]

I'm not sure Dumbledore would have told them everything. IF Frank and Alice went into hiding like James and Lily (as you are suggesting) then surely the secret keeper charm would still be in place when the death eaters tortured the Longbottoms, meaning that they shouldn't have been found or they were betrayed. Unless they were both captured at work.

Well, according to my theory (that nobody else has to buy, I just really believe it), once Voldemort attacked the Potters and "marked" Harry, they knew that the prophesy was about Harry, not Neville, so there would be no more need for them to be in hiding.

Besides, could you imagine having to tell someone that their son is going to be targetted by LV. I think that there is a different reason for the Potters going into hiding and it has to do with the male line as LV needed to kill James and Harry, but "apparently" would have let Lily go free.

Nope, I couldn't imagine having to tell someone that. However, I do think Dumbledore would have. But then, I seem to be the only one that thinks that there's no way under the sun or moon Voldemort would have let Lily walk away, unless, by betraying her own child, she would be evil and he figured she'd join his ranks. I just don't see anything to support this "dark side of Lily theory" aside from the fact that she has green eyes (whoop-tee-doo) and Voldemort told her to get out of the way. Neither one of those, in my opinion, are enough to make a theory like that stick.

[Amon Rê]

I don't think Lily was evil...I threw in the comment about maybe the two muggle sides of their families being related just to keep in more options, but that was on another thread...I agree about the Longbottoms NOT being in hiding since after all, Voldemort had been "defeated" and Harry was marked...

[pandora315]

I don't think the Longbottoms were in hiding, but even if they had been they probably would have come out after Voldemort vanished, and then been tortured after they re-apeared.

[Aberforth]

How do you undo the Fidelius charm? This would need tobe done to stop being in hiding unless the secret keeper posted an advert in the daily prophet saying "Frank and Alice Longbottom live at 10 Downing Street, London".

[Athena Appleton]

I would imagine once the secret didn't need to be kept anymore, the charm could be undone... along those lines, I just read the description of the Fidelius charm in PoA again, and McGonagall says the secret is kept inside a "single, living soul"... what happens if your secret-keeper dies?

[Amon Rê]

I would assume as long as the performer of the spell were not one of those in hiding or the secret keeper, that they would be able to undo the spell. It says nothing about not being able to communicate from their secret place...as for what Aberforth said, I feel that as long as you told one person (If you were the secret keeper) then they would no longer be in hiding because you divulged the secret willingly.

[Athena Appleton]

I would assume as long as the performer of the spell were not one of those in hiding or the secret keeper, that they would be able to undo the spell.

but that would completely go against the whole idea of the Fidelius charm in the first place... if someone other than the person in hiding and the person who is the secret-keeper did the spell, they would know the secret, too... which means that TWO people would know the secret outside of the people in hiding... So it would either have to be someone in hiding or the secret-keeper themselves, or the person performing the spell would have to be willing to submit to a memory charm or something, but since memory charms can be broken, that wouldn't be any good either...

It says nothing about not being able to communicate from their secret place...

the people in Grimmauld Place were hiding with the fidelius charm... they wrote letters to Harry and communicated through the floo network.

[Amon Rê]

Okay, I agree with the first part you said Athena, I think though it's kinda like a recipe, you can make something without having to know what all goes in it, someone can give you something and say...put this in without telling you what it is, ya know But if it's up to that, then I think it's Lily that did the work then, cause it makes sense...

[Athena Appleton]

Yeah, it's discussed in "Dumbledore's Testimony" that according to Ollivander, Lily's wand is good for charm work... I think Lily did the charm

[Ferrus]

if someone other than the person in hiding and the person who is the secret-keeper did the spell, they would know the secret, too... which means that TWO people would know the secret outside of the people in hiding...

You see Athena, the Fidelius charm secret can only be revealed by the secret-keeper himself. Even if someone knows the secret and tells somebody else, it doesn´t matter because that somebody would still be incapable of finding the secret out. Its complicated but thats the only way I can explain the fact that Dubledore HIMSELF (through that note) had to tell Harry were the headquarters of the Order where. If anybody who knew the secret could spill the beans, Moody or Tonks could have told Harry.

[Alice I]

if someone other than the person in hiding and the person who is the secret-keeper did the spell, they would know the secret, too... which means that TWO people would know the secret outside of the people in hiding...

You see Athena, the Fidelius charm secret can only be revealed by the secret-keeper himself. Even if someone knows the secret and tells somebody else, it doesn´t matter because that somebody would still be incapable of finding the secret out. Its complicated but thats the only way I can explain the fact that Dubledore HIMSELF (through that note) had to tell Harry were the headquarters of the Order where. If anybody who knew the secret could spill the beans, Moody or Tonks could have told Harry.

OK that makes sense. I mean that would be why the door appeared for Harry after he read the note, where if voldie or any of his DE showed up; no door. It wouldn't matter if they knew the actual address.

PS: I wrote the firt part of the quote

if someone other than the person in hiding and the person who is the secret-keeper did the spell, they would know the secret, too... which means that TWO people would know the secret outside of the people in hiding...

[Athena Appleton]

Yeah, I still (after thinking about it) don't think Dumbledore did the charm after all, because he testified that Sirius was the secret-keeper, not Wormtail...

[Amon Rê]

Yeah, it's just one of those things, LIKE MOST, that we are going to have to sit around and wait for...okay trying to stay on topic, or well **cough cough** get back on topic...

These are kinda random but I thought they'd be funny to discuss...

When, IF, do you think Harry will run out of money and what would happen?!?

Do you think either James or Lily were doing something illegal (excluding James inheritance (still waiting on a link if someone can find one)) to have that much money???

[Athena Appleton]

Sorry, I read about the inheritence in a book (you know, one of those big things with bindings and paper and words) no link to a book

I don't think Harry's in any danger of running out of money... well, hmmm... I was going to say that the last time he visited Gringotts, there was a large pile still, but then I noticed... he hasn't been to Gringotts in a long time. In books 4 & 5, Mrs. Weasley does his school shopping for him... MRS WEASLEY'S EMBEZZLING FUNDS FROM HARRY'S GRINGOTTS ACCOUNT!!!!!!

j/k

I don't think they were doing something illegal, since I'VE READ IN A BOOK AN INTERVIEW WITH J.K. ROWLING SAYS JAMES INHERITED A LOT OF MONEY!!!!!!! for cryin out loud, believe me!!!! heeheehee!