Book 5 compared to previous books

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Book 5 compared to previous books

Postby Lizzy Bennet » Monday 23 June 2003 11:03:32pm

I'm interested, since all the people perusing this forum (presumably) have read all five books, which is now your favorite and why?

What did you think of book 5 compared to the other books? How was it different? Did the differences enhance or detract from the book?

Have J.K.'s Harry Potter books improved as time has passed? Did you like the darker tone of book 5?

Yes, loads of questions! I guess I started this thread to see how book 5 compared for you to other books in the series. :D Was it well worth the wait?

On the whole, I truly enjoyed this book...though, was it the writing or all the hype? Not sure exactly. :-? Certainly, it was a great book and I raced through it (again, because it was new? not sure). I'm not sure which is my favorite! I used to say Book 3 was, and then, when I read Book 5, it was my favorite, but Book 4 is great, too, in many ways. So hard to choose! Perhaps reading your posts I'll better be able to choose! :grin:


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Postby English » Monday 23 June 2003 11:21:34pm

Actually, I thought that the hype was well worth it- it is a very good book!

What I WOULD say, though, is that fans of the movies will be going " huh? " I know a lot of people have only seen the first two films and as such picking up the fifth book is massive leap. i *know* they should read the otehrs, but, well, people don't always behave like that!

I am trying to picture Harry, Ron and Hermione as 15/16 year olds, not just the little kids that we saw at the end of the second film.
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Postby DrkSphere » Tuesday 24 June 2003 12:17:38am

Book 3 is still my favorite.... Book 4 & 5 come in a tie in a VERY close second. Book 1 & 2 are about equal in a very close third.

Book 5, however, seems like it would make one HELL of a cool movie (or two, due to the length!)

Especially the part in the Ministry of Magic? those wizard fight scenes? oh man, just imagine Warner Brothers having a FIELD day with those special effects? Lucious Malfoy with his wand in his walking stick, ohhh I get shivers just thinking about it....
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Postby Lunatech » Tuesday 24 June 2003 12:39:38am

Actually my favorite was book 2. Book 3 and 4 seemed the repetitive "Voldemorte gets a plan but Harry beats him down before summer starts." Book 2 was a nice transition of introducing Ginny and revealing quite interesting facts about Tom Riddle. It was the "Empire Strikes Back" for me in the Harry Potter series.
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Postby Nothlit » Tuesday 24 June 2003 3:30:37am

I'd say book 5 is more like "The Empire Strikes Back" of Harry Potter...after all, it is the darkest book so far, Harry learns more of his past than perhaps he wanted to know, and...hmm...okay, that's about as far as the parallels go. ;)

I can't decide what I think about this book yet. I am starting to dislike the very predictable pattern of the books...always fighting Voldemort in the last couple of weeks before school's out, just in time to return to the Dursleys again. I also didn't like how too many of the rather obvious "what ifs" in this book turned out to be true: What if Kreacher is spying on the Order? What if Harry's dreams aren't real, merely a trap to lure him where Voldemort wants him to go? Etc, etc.

However, I loved the darker edge to this book. Harry seems more like a real person to me now. I empathized with many of his surges of emotion...especially the instances when he felt left out of something and wanted to get angry at someone, anyone, even if it wasn't really their fault. That happens to me more often than I'd like to admit...

I'll have to keep thinking about this book for a while before I make up my mind. :)
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Postby June » Tuesday 24 June 2003 6:49:12am

Well... I'll need more time, and read through OotP at least 2 more times before I can have much deeper thoughts about it... but just from the first reading, I didn't like it as much as the other books... which is not to say that I didn't enjoy it, just not as much. My favourite so far is still Book 3. ^_~

Book 5 is by far, the darkest book, and the various characters are showing the darker side of themselves too, which demonstates more depth in the book, but also diminished the fantasy-like, magical feel of the series which attracted me to it in the first place. Harry is rather unlikeable character in the book, though it's not without reasons and he had plenty of provocations, I'm disappointed with him, all the same. And lastly, I felt that the ending of the book was rather anti-climatic and sudden after all the anticiption built up during the course of the book, nd felt a bit let down over that.

Still, it's good book that showcased Rowling's writing talents, gives us a lot more information of the magical world, and answered many questions, while producing a lot more to replce them. It also raised many issues of race, prejudice, choice etc ehich makes the readers think. All in all, a wonderful book that would entrance all Harry Potter fans. =)
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Postby Lizzy Bennet » Tuesday 24 June 2003 5:59:07pm

Now, I still haven't decided which book is my favorite (book 5 was great, but book 3 has been my fave for so long, and book 4 wasn't half-bad either!). However, I find it fascinating that on this thread and from people I've talked to, it seems like nearly everyone has said they really enjoyed book 5, but book 3 is still their favorite.

So, I'd like to ask all those who have written (or who think and have not yet posted) that book 3 is still their favorite after reading book 5 why that is the case. Why is book 3 still your favorite? Do share! :grin: What makes book 3 the best despite the fact that book 5 was pretty incredible?


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Postby Jay » Tuesday 24 June 2003 6:34:44pm

The Tri-wizard tournament in Book 4 was great..but Book 3 really introduced some of the cool aspects of the Harry Potter series. The dementors, Sirius, Lupin, and just the overall introduction of darkness into the series.
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Postby Lizzy Bennet » Tuesday 24 June 2003 9:09:24pm

Jay wrote:The Tri-wizard tournament in Book 4 was great..but Book 3 really introduced some of the cool aspects of the Harry Potter series. The dementors, Sirius, Lupin, and just the overall introduction of darkness into the series.


I agree, Jay. :D Though, as I mentioned in another thread, when I go back and read book 3 (which I still think is my favorite--I think it beat out book 5 in the end just slightly!), I'll read it with some sadness because I'll know that Sirius is going to die and that Harry will never get to live with his Godfather. :cry: Maybe that doesn't make anyone else sad, but it sure does make me sad! :-( I also really like Lupin, and reading that book and how he interacts with Sirius, one of his best friends and a reminder of the 'Marauders' will be bittersweet. :cry:

One of the things I loved best about book 3 from all the other books is that it broke the formula. Books 1 and 2, especially, were rather formulaic...which is why I suspect a lot of people didn't like book 2...it was ok in book 1, but then book 2 repeated the same kind of formula. Book 3 was a total departure, and though books 4 and 5 were darker, more detailed, and much more compelling than books 1 and 2, they still had the same basic formula: Harry faces down Voldemort at the end of the school year just in time to go home for the summer to the Dursleys. Book 3 was written to the formula at all. There was no show-down with Voldemort. The big confrontation, though exciting, wasn't the only climax in the book...then you had the time-travel (which some people didn't like, understandably). It was just a totally different book. There was lots of suspense and mystery (some of which you saw again in book 5 [and even in book 4, to some degree], which is part of why I liked it).

That's my take on why book 3 is my favorite as well as perhaps why it is other people's favorite book. Also (and again, you got some of this in book 5), you got to learn about all sorts of cool things like Jay mentioned: Dementors, the Marauder's Map, you went to Hogsmeade for the first time, you learned about Harry's parents and their friends for the first time, Lupin was the DADA and he knew James and Sirius so well, etc. Lupin is one of my favorite characters because I think (when Harry isn't being hot-headed and/or rude, as he was, quite a bit, in book 5), he's much more like the open-minded and modest Lupin than his father or Sirius. Harry, for *most* of the series has been rather open-minded in his choice of friends and rather low-key about himself. He isn't attention-seeking like the papers claimed, nor is he elitist.

Hagrid (a half-giant), Ron (a 'never-been-in-the-spotlight' kid from a poor family), Hermione (a know-it-all 'mudblood'), and Neville (a, until book 5 :grin: , klutz who can't seem to get anything right) are all people Harry values because he sees past the surface of them. Perhaps what we saw of James and Sirius in Snape's memory wasn't entirely accurate, but the response to "What's he done to you?" being "Well, it's more that he exists" (or something like that) doesn't seem to fit with Harry (until perhaps the 5th book when he got a chip on his shoulder and let off on people). Lupin and Harry had an interesting bond because Lupin really cares about Harry and taught him ways to deal with his fears and his emotions. I wish we had seen more of Lupin in book 5.

Now, I really want to go re-read book 3, to me, the best book in the series! :D


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Postby HuffleDuck » Wednesday 25 June 2003 8:29:26am

:-? I like 5th book the best.. The longer the better i say....Most it b/c she gives out so many details about others.. I'm so happy when there were a little part of Harry's parents' past... I hope there are more in the future.. Boo 2 on the other hand had such a twisted ending that i really like it, i dont see anything boring about book 2... and 3 & 4 is such a nice plot.. i love them all.... 1 of course is the one that gets me started Potter mania..... But 5 Rules so far...i might change my mind later when 6th & 7th come out.. and the fear of death of Lupin in the future scares me a bit. since he's the only one left of the trio Maurader( hope i spell it right).. Now Sirius and James are no longer separated anymore..Probably they are waiting for Lupin to join them soon.. :???:
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Postby Boycey » Wednesday 25 June 2003 9:03:22am

I thought that book five was a great book, infact I did enjoy it alot, but I think that book 3 is still my favorite, and in fact I think that book 4 is my second favorite, and then book 5. I think the problem I had with book 5 is to me it seemed to had to go until nearly the end of the book to understand what was going on with the storyline, I mean apart from dreams of course can anyone tell me any important bits for the contents of the book in the first say thirty chapters that had any relivence to harry fighting voldemort in the end of the book, so to me it was more of what Harry did in the fifth year at Hogwarts then say JKRs normal storys which is harry discovering (or trying to discover) how to defeat Lord Voldemort. But thats not the only problem I had, did any of you just think that things just was way to convent for Harry, like Gwarp just turned you when they needed him, that the women in the telephone box let them go to the ministry with the explaination that it was to save somones life, that none of the Death eaters used the "unblockable death curse of advada kedavra, that it was way to easy to get to the ministry. I guess it sounds like im critising the book, but infact I highly enjoyed the book alot, but these little things that I mention does have an impact on me, and because they are there they make me enjoy the book less then say book 3 and 4.
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