Is Snape Really Evil?

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Is Snape innocent?

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Postby Asphodel » Monday 7 November 2005 6:10:48am

Maybe, but what I mean is, I can't see Malfoy killing anyone. To me, he's still that little tyke that ran around the hall screaming, "Potty and the Weasel, Potty and the Weasel!!!"
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Postby Phoenix in the Ashes » Monday 7 November 2005 7:33:04am

Very true. Obviously Dumbledore saw something in him. I'm still very sure Dumbledore could have gotten out of that situation if he'd wanted to.
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Besides, we know that

Postby isasniffelus » Friday 11 November 2005 4:08:30pm

DD had a plan which involved Snape (when they had their argument and were overheard); furthermore, the last time DD was to be killed by VM Fawks came and swallowed the curse. This time it seemed as if DD made sure nobody would help him. By the way, he said "Please": I'm not a Native speaker but wouldn't it have made more sense to say "Please don't" if DD didn't want to be killed? Who knows, maybe Draco and Harry will fight together against VM in the end...
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Postby Barny The Barn » Friday 11 November 2005 4:16:46pm

Nah - I don't think Draco will ever stand alongside Harry. He's a muggle lover in Draco's eyes and he is beneath him supposedly.
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What if

Postby isasniffelus » Monday 14 November 2005 4:28:10pm

the theory is true that Snape is his real father? This would mean that Draco himself is a Halfblood...
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Postby Barny The Barn » Monday 14 November 2005 5:27:31pm

Curious - where's that theory come from?

Lucius and Narcissa were on the tapestry in the Black's house as being Draco's parents. Only those purest in blood were listed on the tapestry therefore discounting the theory that Snape is Draco's father.

I don't believe that Snape is his father as I am sure that tapestry has other ways of knowing...
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Postby Asphodel » Tuesday 15 November 2005 2:48:14am

If Snape was Draco's father, by now J.K.R would have dropped hints.
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Postby SunsetG|rl » Tuesday 15 November 2005 9:16:43am

And plus do you really imagine the final battle... Draco with a hand cut... And Snape calling him on the good side... "I am your father...Join me"

For God's sake! It's not Star Wars reloaded....

And draco looks to much like his father..His real father...Lucius.
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Postby Barny The Barn » Tuesday 15 November 2005 11:11:54am

And before anyone says "but he looks like that in the film because they dyed his hair etc and because of the casting etc" Draco's description in the books describes him exactly as if he really were Lucius and Narcissa's son
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Postby Phoenix in the Ashes » Wednesday 16 November 2005 4:22:02am

Draco has been a spoilt little child his entire life. I wouldn't expect him to be anything other than a wimp. He's grown up with mother and father protecting him. He thinks he's invulnerable.
Draco is Draco. Doesn't matter who his parents are.
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Postby Asphodel » Wednesday 16 November 2005 4:57:33am

...but he still has some boyish innocence, which means he wouldn't kill Dumbledore.
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Postby darkcloak » Wednesday 16 November 2005 9:57:28am

Phoenix in the Ashes wrote:Draco has been a spoilt little child his entire life. I wouldn't expect him to be anything other than a wimp. He's grown up with mother and father protecting him. He thinks he's invulnerable.
Draco is Draco. Doesn't matter who his parents are.


Asphodel wrote:...but he still has some boyish innocence, which means he wouldn't kill Dumbledore.


Exactly.

Even with all this pressure to be evil (Voldemort, Slytherin, Lucius etc), he still cannot kill in cold blood. He cannot help the way in which he has been brought up: to ridicule muggles and curse 'mud-bloods', but he does make his own choice at the end not to kill Dumbledore. He also demonstrates that he does have the ability to love: in this case his parents.
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Postby Phoenix in the Ashes » Wednesday 16 November 2005 10:34:38am

darkcloak wrote:
Phoenix in the Ashes wrote:Draco has been a spoilt little child his entire life. I wouldn't expect him to be anything other than a wimp. He's grown up with mother and father protecting him. He thinks he's invulnerable.
Draco is Draco. Doesn't matter who his parents are.


Asphodel wrote:...but he still has some boyish innocence, which means he wouldn't kill Dumbledore.


Exactly.

Even with all this pressure to be evil (Voldemort, Slytherin, Lucius etc), he still cannot kill in cold blood. He cannot help the way in which he has been brought up: to ridicule muggles and curse 'mud-bloods', but he does make his own choice at the end not to kill Dumbledore. He also demonstrates that he does have the ability to love: in this case his parents.


I cannot believe that you think one cannot help the way they have been brought up. As soon as Draco or anyone starts to think and learn what's right or wrong they have a choice, and if they are threatened with death then at least they tried.
And before you say that if they are brought up one way that they thikn right is wrong and wrong is right, then that's tosh.
Draco has been at Hogwarts 6 years. He has had plenty of opportunity to learn right and wrong, and won't be shifted.

But you're right. I don't think Draco could kill in cold blood.
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Postby Barny The Barn » Wednesday 16 November 2005 1:24:58pm

This is an interesting read I have to say and it's got me thinking about something of Draco's upbringing and family background.

First of all why is it that Narcissa is not a Death Eater?
Does Draco in fact take after her?

Although he wants to be more associated with his father and follow in his father's footsteps, I think he is actually more like his mother but is embarrassed to be like her.

I think he has spent his whole life vying for the affection and approval of his father and this could explain his action to become a DE. I think he feels he has to prove himself to be a man in his father's eyes. But in fact because he is more like his mother he is just not cut out for it and that is why he backed out of killing Dumbledore.

Narcissa has the ability to love - maybe this is the reason LV didn't want her as a DE? Maybe LV knew that Draco would fail because he takes after his mother. I think LV sees Love as a weakness. He has never been loved purely so he doesn't understand it though.
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Postby Asphodel » Thursday 17 November 2005 2:16:46am

Phoenix in the Ashes wrote:
darkcloak wrote:
Phoenix in the Ashes wrote:Draco has been a spoilt little child his entire life. I wouldn't expect him to be anything other than a wimp. He's grown up with mother and father protecting him. He thinks he's invulnerable.
Draco is Draco. Doesn't matter who his parents are.


Asphodel wrote:...but he still has some boyish innocence, which means he wouldn't kill Dumbledore.


Exactly.

Even with all this pressure to be evil (Voldemort, Slytherin, Lucius etc), he still cannot kill in cold blood. He cannot help the way in which he has been brought up: to ridicule muggles and curse 'mud-bloods', but he does make his own choice at the end not to kill Dumbledore. He also demonstrates that he does have the ability to love: in this case his parents.


I cannot believe that you think one cannot help the way they have been brought up. As soon as Draco or anyone starts to think and learn what's right or wrong they have a choice, and if they are threatened with death then at least they tried.
And before you say that if they are brought up one way that they thikn right is wrong and wrong is right, then that's tosh.
Draco has been at Hogwarts 6 years. He has had plenty of opportunity to learn right and wrong, and won't be shifted.

But you're right. I don't think Draco could kill in cold blood.


How can you think that? The way they are brought up affects them because when they are toddlers, their brains are most flexible.
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