How can Harry kill Voldemort or Voldemort kill Harry?

[thestral]

yes, but you're working on this basis, that like last time with another's help, he regained his body and his powers. what i'm saying is that IF his powers were irredeemably taken away from him with no hope of ever getting them back at all, regardless of what potion or schemes he connives. the fact would be that powerful wizards like lucius would not take orders from a squib. they would sense the weakness and seize their opportunity to usurp the position of power.

but yes i agree with all your points (nightcrawler), they all follow him for their own reasons, usually selfish reasons. which is why i think they would turn against LV if something like that ever did happen.

how did he do it when he was less than a ghost? It wasn't always by fear that he led. He fed on prejudice and loyalty.

well yes i do agree with this as well, prejudice and hatred is his strongest weapon and he uses it well. but i'm not really arguing against anything here. i'm just theorising on good ways to punish LV. and i think that if he could be well and truly squibbed beyond redmption of his powers, i think that would be worse than death.

[darkcloak]

and i think that if he could be well and truly squibbed beyond redmption of his powers, i think that would be worse than death.

Well put.

Good use of that 'squibbing' verb!




Wouldn't it also be a little ironic if Lord Voldemort dies because no-one cares enough to save him?

Either that or get well and truly whomped by the willow.

[Siruk]

Wouldn't it also be a little ironic if Lord Voldemort dies because no-one cares enough to save him?

Either that or get well and truly whomped by the willow.

Or what happens if he got a cool guy smoking images in the next book, where he always smokes to look cool, but then in the seventh book he dies of cnacer, that we just so ironic.

Or he could get ran over by a bus.

Thats a point, would Voldemort and his magical powers stand up to being shot into the sun?

[thestral]

Good use of that 'squibbing' verb!

thanks!! i always did like the word 'squib'. it's really quite a fun word to use.

i think he'll just fall off a cliff, as in he's going for an evil night time stroll to scare the animals, and won't notice the fact that the ground has stopped cos his eyes are just squinty red slits. and then.....ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. splat.

you can't beat gravity.

[Lord Malvient]

Maybe....just maybe that JKR brings me into the final book when there is a duel going on between potter and voldie, then i start talking about philately and my life and so on and potter just uses the muffliato spell on himself and goes temporarily deaf while voldie just drops dead of boredom. Mind you , I can be deadlier than a fully grown Mandrake when i'm in full flow.

[Barny The Barn]

Anyone thought that Harry might actually use the Sectumsempra curse on LV at the end? Maybe this is the way Snape indirectly helps him out?

[Asphodel]

But the Sectumsempra curse isn't invincible like Avada Kedavra Voldemort probably knows how to block it.

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

I think destroying the horcruxes will be the most difficult part. Obviously Voldemort is a powerful wizards, but as we have seen from Dumbledore, they are not invincible.
A good old Adava Kedavra right where it hurts should do the job nicely. And strictly speaking the prophecy doesn't say Harry has to do it, does it? It just says that one cannot live whilst the other survives, which is a little odd considering theyr'e both surviving right now from books 4-7. Maybe it's that they cannot both survive for long periods of time...

I get the feeling it's going to be a little more complicated than a good old killing spell though.

[Asphodel]

Dude, there's this whole love magic thingy, so I don't know. What I'm truly wondering, is how good wizards kill bad wizards. I mean, Dumbledore would never use Avada Kedavra. Is there some all-powerful spell that can only harm evil people? Did that silvery mist Dumbledore summoned in book 5 have anything to do with that?

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

Yes, you are of course correct there. It's never going to be that simple.

The reason Dumbledore never used AK (besides the fact that it was evil) was because he didn't believe that death was the worst thing that could happen to you. He says repeatedly that that is Voldemort's biggest flaw, and biggest weakness.
I'm going to say again, that that will have some role in his defeat, if indeed it goes that way.

Silvery mist? a page/chapter reference please?

[Asphodel]

When the trio went to the Ministry towards the end of the fifth book, and they went to the Department of Mysteries Dumbledore came. He did this spell and a silvery thing came out, but Voldemort blocked it by casting a shield charm.

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

I have to read the climaxes of each of the books again. I'm sick of missing minor details.
Things like that quite annoy me.
I'll read it again and judge, but from the looks of things I don't think it'll play too much importance.

[sorcerer83]

several points i wanted to respond to after reading this thread...

I think they could curse each other as long as they dont cast a spell at the same time.

thats one thing i really really like about hp - the magic - the spells are actuall physical things that can knock things down, be blocked, set fire to things... in order for the prior incantantum to work the spells themselves have to hit each other - im not sure if its mentioned in the books directly but i imagine the spells as this narrow ray or beam - so in fact they can cast a spell at each other even at the same time but direct it for different parts of body and still hit each other and cause the prior incantantum... so theres not much problam with a wand duel in the end, but i do agree with the stabbing or some other "ordinary" way of dying idea - it would be more interesting...
maybe something like in the end vold says to harry - "ahhh im sick of firing spells from this stick like some cowardly commie (no idea how this has anything to do with this but thats what came to mind) - lets settle this like real men" *conjures 4 boxing gloves* - "are you up for it, potter?!"
ok back to serious matters...

Yeah but not even that is going to be enough. If it's not Voldemort... it's just going to be another one with great power and thirst for evil and torture.

"Other evils there are that may come; for Sauron is himself but a servant or emissary. Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule." (lotr, Return of the king, The last debate) i know its the "wrong" book but it really fitted, and those are great lines and a great lesson for life...

yes, but you're working on this basis, that like last time with another's help, he regained his body and his powers. what i'm saying is that IF his powers were irredeemably taken away from him with no hope of ever getting them back at all, regardless of what potion or schemes he connives. the fact would be that powerful wizards like lucius would not take orders from a squib... i think that if he could be well and truly squibbed beyond redmption of his powers...

look at other tyrants around the world - hitler, sadam, milosevic, stalin... they didnt have magical power but they had people loyal to them cuz they represented an idea and a way, that usually here was based on prejaudice and hate, and people thought that they could make that idea come true. that is true i think for some des and that maybe enough to scare the others into keep supporting vold just because hes the only 1 who can unite them, and the only 1 who dares to act on that agenda - lucius didnt get his oppinion about muggle born when vold rose to power and didnt change it when he fell - yet he only did something about it when vold was in power, im not sure hed so quickly want to give up vold's leadership. to sum up vold's power is much more than only his magical powers...