Lupin and Tonks --- Fleur and Bill

[Mrs. Luca Black]

I'll start by saying that I think Sirius is straight too. Obviously, or I wouldn't have a character that's married to him.

There's just the fact that Sirius is never mentioned as having anything to do with the opposite s*x. Not even in school. James was always falling all over himself whenever Lily was around, but Sirius isn't even mentioned as so much as looking at a girl. For that matter, Lupin isn't either. Lupin is only just now mentioned as having any sort of romantic feeling for a female. (I believe his has more to do with fear of getting close to people because of his curse. I imagine he only had his friends because they forced themselves on him.)

Personally, my take on it is that Sirius was too much of a rebel to bother "settling down" but was also too loyal to be, well, a man-slut. He also seemed pretty haughty and self-involved and just didn't want to bother with girls because he was bored by them or they required his ego to take a backseat. It annoys me when people talk about how he was so handsome and popular that he must have had so many notches in his bedpost that it turned to dust if touched it too hard.

There's also another view I take on it, but that requires that you believe the whole backstory behind my character that's married to him. Since that isn't in the book, I won't mention it here.[/i]

[crystallised_pineapple]

wow i haven't heard of any S/R rumors... i hate that idea too i mean no way... they are just good friends and sirius can't be homosexual it just doesn't work for his character and lupin just seems shy and really sweet...

[glamourweaver]

wow i haven't heard of any S/R rumors... i hate that idea too i mean no way... they are just good friends and sirius can't be homosexual it just doesn't work for his character and lupin just seems shy and really sweet...

I don't see how being gay would have clashed with either of their characters. Sure Sirius isn't a gay sterotype, but him being gay wouldn't have been out of place (neither is him being straight mind you, I'm just saying either way would have worked). Don't get me wrong I never thought or expected either were gay, I'm just saying it would have been fine if they were.

Realistically though I never expected any openly gay characters. Unfortunately we live in a world where that would never be allowed in a mass marketed children's or young adult book. *sigh* Blasted homophobes...

[crystallised_pineapple]

don't get me wrong i'm not homophobic or anything it just, i dunno clashed with my ideas of them in my head...(especially sirius lol)

and i totally agree it would be really great to have some gay characters in there

[Person1]

...this is...disturbing in many ways ppl.....

I don't think there are going to be any gay character in the books, and i hope there aren't, its just plain wrong......

[Tanuki]

Granted, we do see relationships, but a gay character would ahve annoyed me. It would have felt like pandering, espeically considering most of the cast is pretty much asexual, as much as background characters can be

[Un'Anima Persa]

I wouldnt mind a gay character, theyre no different than anyone else.... and i dont see why society is against it.

if sirius and remus actually got together id be glad, they are good together, in my opinion, they have already been good friends, and i do think it would be a good grounds for a relationship.

the tonks/remus thing doesnt seem right. Tonks and lupin seem like theyd make a team, not a couple

like luca said, there is nowhere tha says they had feelings for the opposite s*x and nowhere said they werent gay either.

[Mrs. Luca Black]

It would be over the top for there to be a gay character.

I have no problem with gays. Some of the greatest people I've met were gay. My date to the junior prom was gay! (He didn't need help getting a tux to match my dress, but he turned out to be, erm, catty.) And I mean, I was cooing over the S/R thing earlier (even though I think that in the books both are 100% straight and nothing more than friends).

But a gay character would just seem out of place to the point that he/she would have had to be put in there to make a point about homosexuality.

JKR does well enough of a job with just allowing some of her characters to have attributes that are generally thought to belong to the opposite gender. Tonk's having short hair. Sirius and Bill having long hair. Bill wearing an earring. Remus being so sensitive and intuitive (yeah, looking at it now, I can totally see how people could think he was gay). Girls playing Quidditch. Women being in every sort of job when most of the wizarding ways seem to be less advance than our society. The list goes on and on.

Let the S/R shipping go on in fanfics, but don't ever expect it in the books or anything seriously regarding the books.

[SunsetG|rl]

yeah but i for one hope i don't get anymore into any of those fanfics. they can be really sick sometimes. actually i was seraching on google drawings of different hp characters (i actually found a very nice one of ron), but unfortunatly i also saw drawings of sirius and remus...being more than friends. and it really made me startle seeing a drawing of harry and draco actually kissing...

[crystallised_pineapple]

lol harry and malfoy... that would be scary he he

[Curiouser]

Oh, wow. I'm sorry I brought the whole puppyslash thing up....

I'll try not to go into it too much, but I will say that as much as I love love love *love* the pairing of Remus and Sirius (just ask UAP), I doubt it was ever canon. The fangirl inside of me is screaming vulgar things at me for typing that, but I don't care. If I was to be honest with myself, it most likely never happened between them. Which makes me sad.

The reason why I think it was a mistake on my part to bring any of this up, is because homosexuality has always been a very touchy subject, and I was foolish to think that I could bring it up without there being some people who think it's wrong. But hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinions, so I'm okay with it.

That being said, I never thought Sirius was gay. I always saw him as bi, or even straight. But usually not gay. And I saw Remus as someone who, if presented with a person that could love him despite his lycanthropy, would do his very best to love that person back, be it a male or a female.

Once again, I'm very sorry if I squicked any of you with thoughts that you're uncomfortable with.

[Nightcrawler]

Curiouser, don't worry about it. Nobody should be seriously offended by an opinion, and I doubt anyone here was.

As for my opinion, I don't think that there will be any homosexual characters in Harry Potter. Firstly, I believe that JKR is a Christian, so chances are she wouldn't approve of it anyway. And whatever JKR's personal stance on the issue may be; in today's society it would be impossible to put a gay character in there without making some kind of point, or take a particular stance.

a gay character would just seem out of place to the point that he/she would have had to be put in there to make a point about homosexuality.

Mrs. Luca put it quite well here. If JKR was going to write a particular character as homosexual, she would have to have a reason for doing so. With only one more book to go, I don't think we need yet another startling revelation about a character. There are plenty of loose threads that need tying up as it is.

And I saw Remus as someone who, if presented with a person that could love him despite his lycanthropy, would do his very best to love that person back, be it a male or a female.

I agree. But if he's not sexually attracted to that person, he can only ever love them in a platonic way. As for Tonks, I think that he definetly feels at least something. It's been theorised that he's only with Tonks because of the preassure from others, but I think it would be pretty stupid of Lupin to enter a relationship that he knows from the get-go will not go anywhere. If he did that, Tonks would be far more hurt by the end of it than she would ever be if he simply told her he wasn't attracted to her.

I think Lupin is so popular with slashers because (being a werewolf), JKR has used him as the character that has been misunderstood, opressed and dispised by society because of what he is. Dispite that, he has been strong enough to accept himself and those who are close to him have learnt not to judge him and be proud of him. I don't think that he represents homosexuals specificly (although that's probably a part of it). I think that Lupin's situation is supposed to represent any and every minority group that gets discriminated against.

[selene]

i agree with nightcrawler and mrs. luca black

altough i'm bi i never considerd that remus and sirius could be gay ... until i read some fanfic
in my stories they're usual straight but i have other gay characters

i also noticed, when i was reading fanfic, that if there are gay characters they're usual male. i can't remember reading about a lesbian character
strange

[thestral]

well first off comments like 'it's just wrong' are narrow-minded and idiotic, i hate reading that, it makes my blood boil. it's like if i told someone that being a christian or believing in god is 'wrong' or 'just stupid'. i don't think people would be too happy, would they? so please no more homophobic comments.

as for the issue of S/R (that was what i suspected it was when i asked you curiouser but i just wanted to clarify) i just think that it would seem out of place. i think mainly because sirius always seemed so straight, i suppose, like i think in one book harry's looking at old photos and notices that sirius was with a different girl in every photo. and also he's candy on a page,*drool* and as a reader it would sort of ruin my fantasies if he was gay. he always seemed to me like he was a lady-killer. but i'll stop there on the many ways in which sirius was a big hunk of manliness or else unsuitable things would be said

but also i think that in this overly aware and sensitive age of political correctness, a sudden 'wow, sirius and remus are gay' would seem like tokenism, and the moral message would be soooo transparent and it would take away from the believability of the characters of remus and sirius that has progressivly been built up. in fact i think it would bring them crashing down. it would be soooo OOC. and i don't even want to think about the moral outcry from the church and religion and the book burning parade. not only would we all be satanists but we'd be GAY satanists, duh duh duh!!!!!!!! the world would come crashing down in an avalanche of avarice, vice, immorality and corruption!!!!!!

basically it's the sort of thing that is fun to explore in fanfics, but it doesn't have any real basis in the actual books.

righto going back to a drool covered state of stasis whilst i daydream about sirius...[/i]

[Curiouser]

Yes. I think S/R is a really cool idea, but like most of you said, it's really isn't canon at all. I mean there are a few rather suspicious lines in OotP, but I won't get into that.

The whole S/R thing started gaining popularity among slashers about 6 months after PoA (the book) came out. Back then, it seemed a lot more possible and a lot more likely to be canon than it does now. The last three books kind of sank that ship. But people liked it so much, that they worked a way around it. Actually, I'm really surprised that so many of you have never heard of S/R, seeing as some sites report tht the ship is in the top ten for most popular fanfic ships. Something like number 6 or 7, I think.

Anyway, JKR never gave me the impression that she particularly encouraged homosexuality. Of course, I suppose that's debatable, because she never really said that she thought it was wrong, but you get the picture. And you're right, if she was to insert a gay or bi character into the series, it would have to be to make some kind of point. And I don't think she would be too keen on stirring up even more trouble, considering how a lot of people already consider her books to be evil because of the 'incantational magic'. Bringing or revealing a gay character in the last book of the series would be too... I don't know, sudden or something. Sadly.

I did it again.... Stop getting off topic, Aly! *headsmack*