Note in the Locket: R.A.B?

[Mrs. Luca Black]

My personal thought is that maybe he found out Voldy was a half blood. He's been raised to think that anyone but a pure blood wizard is worse than garbage. Why would he ever bow down to a half blood? I think he'd be insulted to do it.

It could also maybe have a part that he came in thinking that it had to do with just pure blood mania his family was so famous for supporting, then found out that it was a power struggle and Voldy had other things on the agenda and the pure blood thing just fell to the wayside even though it's supporters still blabbed on and on endlessly about it (ahem, Bellatrix).

Those are just my ideas though. I'd like to think that maybe I have a better insight into my brother in law *winks*.

[crystallised_pineapple]

maybe he just got scared and freaked out?? although no because then why would he then go for the horcrux...

maybe he just slowly began to resent the people controlling him and became all bitter and twisted towards them.

[Snow_Crystal]

I think there's more than meets the eye with Regulas. Can't wait to find out! Can't believe we have to wait two years!!!

[post_baseball89]

i, having read some of the theories on page three or four, just had an epiphany (big word...whoa) what if mundungus was just a setup??? hear me out before you stone me. We ALL know that Dung is a sneaky, theiving character. Also, all the readers know he is in The Order. I say ALL because Dumbledore knows this too. What if Dumbledore, due to his-need- to destroy all the horcruxes, told Dung to sell all of the Black family treasures? This would mean that under-cover Death Eaters, or people under Voldemort's Imperius Curse, would be able to pick up word from the street that the possessions of the Black Family are being sold. Or maybe not black family, maybe just some highly valued treasures? Either way, Voldemort, having just recieved this useful information, would be able to locate the person selling the goods. This would prove a great diversion. While Voldemort is searching for the one (Dung) who is selling the pieces, the rest of The Order could be searching for the locket, or any other object that might be a horcrux (like a goblet?) This would also keep Voldemort away from the house, making him think all of the objects were gone. And just in case Kreacher tried to tell a Death Eater what was happening, Harry could forbid Kreacher to some gruesome extent not to speak a word of what was happening. Oh well, just a little thought i had

[Mrs. Luca Black]

I must admit, your theory does make some sense. But like with everything else, I have problems with it.

1. I don't think Dumbledore knew the locket had been stolen. He wouldn't have gone all through that/put Harry through all that for a note in a locket.

2. I don't think the rest of the Order knows about the horcruxes because then it would be more likely for the word to leak to Voldemort and that could end badly.

3. The theft of the goblets was set up in OotP. Which reminds me that Dung didn't actually steal the goblets because Sirius told him to take them. I still don't blame Harry for trying to kill Dung though.

[post_baseball89]

[quote="Snow_Patrol"]I think the only candidates are:

Regulas Black - Killed by Death Eaters for trying to back out. A good candidate because we learn in GOF that all of the Death Eaters knew the steps Voldemort had taken to ensure his immortality. Sirius believed he got in too far and tried to back out and that was why he was killed. Uncle's name was Alphard which may be Regulas's middle name. Regulas is the only charracter thus far that has been linked with the initials RB. But the tapestry at Grimauld Place does not give us his middle name. The letter written in HBP is very keen that the Dark Lord (term is only used by Death Eaters) knew who discovered his Horcrux. In Order of the Phoenix, a locket was discovered at Grimauld Place that no-one could get into... [more possible candidates]...I have three questions at the moment, 1) who is RAB 2) how/why did he die? 3)where is the locket now?

Here's my theory...

My favourite is Regulas for stealing the original horcrux. I think he wrote his note before he set off, placed it in a fake locket and that he knew death faced him because he was planning to back out and would be killed as a result. He took it back to Grimauld Place and hid it in a drawer before he could destroy it.....quote]

this is the exact same theory that a team of harry potter analyzers have come up with- that team being me and my sister. haha...anyway, we deduced (big word!) that Alphard may be Regulus's middle name because his uncle had money. Money, the root of all evil, made the man valued in the family, thus causing Sirius' parents to name their other son Regulus Alphard Black.

[Mrs. Luca Black]

... anyway, we deduced (big word!) that Alphard may be Regulus's middle name because his uncle had money. Money, the root of all evil, made the man valued in the family, thus causing Sirius' parents to name their other son Regulus Alphard Black.

It's a very good point. My middle name is Jane after a great aunt who had lots of money, hoping it would put me in her good graces. So, if my parents did it, then I'm sure it's a common enough practice. Even if it isn't Alphard, though I believe it is, there are many cool British A names like Algernon, I love that name.

[post_baseball89]

hello once again
to the one who had a spot of trouble with The Mundungus Theory, i have found a few solutions:

1. Dumbledore didn't know the locket was stolen. However, he did know, based on prior memories, that it was a locket. Therefore, he knew what to search for.

2. Ok, so maybe the rest of the Order doesn't know about the Horcruxes. However, maybe he told only the most trustworthy. Perhaps he told McGonagall, or Mad-Eye, maybe even Remus. By doing so, and by making an unbreakable vow with them never to tell anyone outside the order that they know, he ensured that, if he were to die, someone else would be able to take on the task of destroying the Horcruxes. Other than Harry, that is.

3. Of course Harry wants to kill the man selling the only memories he has of Sirius. However, you pointed out a fact that almosts contradicts yourself, and verifies what i orginally stated. The theft, or hand-over, of the goblets WAS set-up. This ensured that one of the goblets was a horcrux, it was out of the house, and with a member of the order. To confuse the situation in favor of The Order, there was a whole set of Goblets, which means that if they were sold seperately, or at least not all together, Voldemort would have to track down each and every one until he finds a horcrux.

And just another point i wanted to bring up, we've seen Dung and the Barman together before. In OOTP, dung was hiding in the Hog's Head. However, if the barman has a really long memory, why didn't he recognize Dung in HBP? just another little thing i noticed

man we should all get together & write a book...

[Mrs. Luca Black]

Okay, drop the thing about the goblets being a horcrux because there is no sense to it. 1. The goblets have belonged to the Blacks for centuries and have no meaning to anyone that isn't a proud Black. 2. The goblets have been in the Black's for centuries, which even though most of the Blacks turned out to be Death Eaters, doesn't mean that ol' Voldy is joining Sirius' mum for tea on Sundays and getting near enough the goblets to use them as horcruxes.

There is also no reason for him to want them to use them for horcruxes. They didn't belong to any of the founders of Hogwarts. They don't hold any powers. They are nothing but expensive silver goblets with a family crest.

Sirius did not say Dung could have the stupid goblets because of some elaborately set up ruse. He said he could have them because he didn't want them because they reminded him of his horrid family. No one in the Order is wasting their energy with anything as ill cooked as selling Black family heirlooms to trick Voldemort into buying them. Dung is a theif. He steals things then sells them. End of story.

Also the barman Aberforth would remember Dung and we never saw Dung in the Hogs Head in HBP. We saw him out in the streets of the Hogsmeade. Aberforth can't control who comes into Hogsmeade and probably doesn't care to do so. So long as Dung stays out of his pub, he could care less about the sneak theif.

[post_baseball89]

Well, ok.....you have a point
i guess it wasn't meant to be, but it still was a good theory.

[Ginny Potter]

You can have a point without telling people not to believe what they believe or slamming them for believing it. Even if you are right, and none of us knows if we are, as we aren't JKR. Respect for differing opinions...please.

On topic, another wild card idea, but one I felt like tossing out there, I mentioned Amelia Bones as she has the "A" and the "B'...and I realized someone else who has an "A" and a "B"...Amy Benson, one of the orphans Tom took into the cave and may have harmed when he was young. It's out there, I admit...but the only problem I have for accepting Regalus as the one is that he seems like the obvious choice, and from what I've read, usually JKR isn't that obvious...but maybe she is in that case. He just seems like he was the first one everyone thought of, but I agree he's probably the most likely choice.

[post_baseball89]

sorry for a 2x-post, but:

what happened to the children Riddle led into the cave?
who were they, and they might play a bigger part?
this led me to thinking of the whole R.A.B. reverse theory:

that it might be B.A.R. except i dont think it is the BARman. IT might be B___ A_____ RIDDLE.......eh?

i dont know if it was mentioned previously, but it is something to think about.

if anyone can lend me some assistance, it would be great.....

[Snow_Crystal]

Amy Benson is interesting... Didn't spot that one! We don't know what happened in that cave, that's part of the mystery but I hope we find out. I can't believe though that Amy would know about the charms placed on that cave to protect the horcrux, in fact would she even know what a horcrux was if she wasn't a wizard?

Also JK said that Regulas would be "a fine guess" in her interview and she said that we would work it out easily. She wanted to give us one thing we could work out.. Well I think Regulas is it.

[Salazar Slytherin]

i agree with regulus but i still think its just too easy and jk always takes what we think it is and suprises us with the complete oppisite.

[Tanuki]

hello once again
2. Ok, so maybe the rest of the Order doesn't know about the Horcruxes. However, maybe he told only the most trustworthy. Perhaps he told McGonagall, or Mad-Eye, maybe even Remus. By doing so, and by making an unbreakable vow with them never to tell anyone outside the order that they know, he ensured that, if he were to die, someone else would be able to take on the task of destroying the Horcruxes. Other than Harry, that is.

Then why did McGonnagal as Harry what he was doing with Dumbledore, if she were in on it, she wouldn't have to ask

3. Of course Harry wants to kill the man selling the only memories he has of Sirius. However, you pointed out a fact that almosts contradicts yourself, and verifies what i orginally stated. The theft, or hand-over, of the goblets WAS set-up.

No, it was hinted that Dung wanted it, not that there was any set up. In OoTP, we saw that Dung was willing to steal them. At what point did Sirius say, yeah, those are horcruxes and you should hide them to make Harry mad

And just another point i wanted to bring up, we've seen Dung and the Barman together before. In OOTP, dung was hiding in the Hog's Head. However, if the barman has a really long memory, why didn't he recognize Dung in HBP? just another little thing i noticed

Floor length veils do wonders to hide peoples identities. And as for Alberforth in Half Blood Prince, in many cases of shady characters, animosity does not extend to lucrative business deals