Note in the Locket: R.A.B?

[annachie]

I can't remember which book it came out in, but I believe that Lucious Malfoy was holding onto the diary while LV was alive. Something about LM was supposed to plant it when and where LV instructed but LV died before giving that instruction, so LM got into trouble for acting on his own.

Just because the DE's knew what lengths LV went to, doesn't mean they knew what he was doing. Beside I think if Snape knew about Horcrux's he would have told DD.

I do like the potion being a memory though, but wonder why DD couldn't use the cup to just tip it out, and it fits with how we know LV operates.Significant event, significant object, significant hidey hole.
edited: I should have said how I believe he operates .....

[dibble2]

Sorry, Snowy. I guess I didn't make myself clear. I didn't mean that the fake locket was a trick of Voldemort's, just the potion. I still stand by the theory that the potion wouldn't affect Voldemort, but that does beg the question of how R.A.B. managed to drink the potion, replace the horcrux, and survive the inferni. Maybe he brought someone with him, or maybe he just sat there and took it. Remember, the inferni only attacked when Harry disturbed the water. If the drinker of the potion only thinks they want water, maybe he'd eventually muster the strength to continue. Remember, Dumbledore only had the water splash on his lips, and he still managed to fight off the threats. Then, R.A.B. might have escaped with the locked and died from the potion later.

I just had a thought while writing this, actually. If R.A.B. did replace the potion with his own, then Voldemort would know right away what it was...but that doesn't matter, because the only way to get the horcrux would be to drink all of the potion.

[Beluka]

I think then the question would be:

if RAB replaced the potion for a poison-like one, did s/he also make then enchantment that prevents them from getting water?

I actually think everything was left as it was and that RAB did not go alone. RAB being, at least in my head, Regulus Black, who doesn't need to be alive in the present to have stolen the horcrux. Not because it looks like an easy answer does it have to be discarded!
I very much doubt this horcrux is lost, it must be in the house of black... there's enough trouble with the rest of missing horcruxes, isn't it?

[darkcloak]

Just another side-comment on RAB being Regulus.

It's funny that we hear of him just once in OotP and then by the start of Chapter 6 of HBP he has been mentioned three times by three different characters (Dumbledore, Slughorn and Lupin). Regulus was one of Slughorn's 'groupies' (interesting link to knowledge of Horcruxes?) and so i'm sure he will be able to shed some light on him for Harry.

Also JK does like to start introducing people in previous books, and I would like to think that no major new characters will appear in the last one as I want everything to be tied up and not have to worry about a new ball of string to untangle.

[Snow_Crystal]

Hi darkcloak -ooh I missed that - might read chapter 6 again! It's just got to be Regulas hasn't it! I think I read somewhere that JKR wouldn't be introducing any new major, major characters in the last book but that doesn't mean to say she won't expand on previously named characters.

Hi Dibble, I can't remember now which one I thought you meant was a trick!!! But something you and Beluka have just said has now got me thinking...

I am now more convinced than ever that RAB was sent by LV to set up the real horcrux locket in the cave but RAB had his own agenda and decided for whatever reason not to put in the real one. Quite controversial I'll eat my words later probably!!!

Hiya Froggs, I'm not sure RAB did think this was the only one. Can't remember his actual words now but didn't he say that he hoped one day he would be mortal? i.e. that this would be one less horcrux to ensure his immortality? Not sure now? I'm 99% certain the locket was taken before LV lost his body the night he tried to kill harry. Sirius went to Azkaban within the week (?) after L&J died so how would Sirius have known that Regulas was killed trying to back out. I'm pretty sure Dementors don't give family news in Azkaban - haha!

[Person1]

Also JK does like to start introducing people in previous books, and I would like to think that no major new characters will appear in the last one as I want everything to be tied up and not have to worry about a new ball of string to untangle.

JKR said in an interview (someone post a link to on one of these forums) that she would not be introducing any new major characters.

[Ginny Potter]

I don't know if it'd be possible, but going back to the note from R.A.B. ... Amelia Bones has the A and the B ... is it somehow possible SHE'S R.A.B. (maybe she's one of those people who goes by their middle name?), and her death had something to do with the locket horcrux? Just speculating...I need to re-read book 6, too.

[Froggs]

Hiya Froggs, I'm not sure RAB did think this was the only one. Can't remember his actual words now but didn't he say that he hoped one day he would be mortal? i.e. that this would be one less horcrux to ensure his immortality? Not sure now? I'm 99% certain the locket was taken before LV lost his body the night he tried to kill harry. Sirius went to Azkaban within the week (?) after L&J died so how would Sirius have known that Regulas was killed trying to back out. I'm pretty sure Dementors don't give family news in Azkaban - haha!

I guess that would indicate that RAB knew there was more than one horcrux, as well as that locket being taken before LV's temp. downfall. I still like the idea that there are a group of reformed DEs who have been hunting down LV's horcruxes and will work with HP in the next book, or he'll find out what they have done in some way. That would make me happy!

[annachie]

Hiya Froggs, I'm not sure RAB did think this was the only one. Can't remember his actual words now but didn't he say that he hoped one day he would be mortal? i.e. that this would be one less horcrux to ensure his immortality? Not sure now? I'm 99% certain the locket was taken before LV lost his body the night he tried to kill harry. Sirius went to Azkaban within the week (?) after L&J died so how would Sirius have known that Regulas was killed trying to back out. I'm pretty sure Dementors don't give family news in Azkaban - haha!

I guess that would indicate that RAB knew there was more than one horcrux, as well as that locket being taken before LV's temp. downfall. I still like the idea that there are a group of reformed DEs who have been hunting down LV's horcruxes and will work with HP in the next book, or he'll find out what they have done in some way. That would make me happy!

I have stolen the real Horcrux ... that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more

Last page of chap 28. To me, at least, it reads like R.A.B was thinking there was only one Horcrux.

As for how Sirius could have heard about his brother, he makes comment in PoA (I think it was) that he heard the other DE's swearing about Peter Pettigrew thinking that PP had led LV to his death, so he could have heard about Regulas there. And if LV tells the DE's that Regulas was killed for trying to back out instead of for knowing too much well ...

[Lelie]

well, just because the horcrux was stolen doesn't mean anyone knew about it. i'm fairly sure (i'll have to look up a pg. number) that dd believed that lv didn't know when his horcruxes were destroyed. if this is the case, he wouldn't have known about the locket being destroyed. if it was regulus that took it, lv wouldn't have necessarily killed him for that. if regulus was far enough on the outs with lv to want him dead, then i'm sure lv had a hint before the horcrux was gone.
besides, it seems like it anyone in the world knew that the horcrux was gone, dd would have known it too.

[Snow_Crystal]

Didn't LV in GoF say to his DE's "you all knew the steps I had taken toward the path of immortality" or something along these lines. It could be the case that he told his DE's that he had made horcruxes but only told individual DE's about individual horcruxes - i.e. for them to hide, hold onto etc. So not all of them would know the full story as it were - only snippets...

We know that LV trusted Lucius with his diary and that he was unhappy that he sat on that diary for so many years and that because Lucius doubted his master had survived the Godric Hollow night, this is why LV might have wanted to punish him (when Narcissa is talking to Snape in HBP)

I think we can also assume that Bella might have handled his most precious (chapter 2 HBP) - I wonder if this might have been the ring..

Regulas (I believe) was responsible for the locket...

The funny thing is, Lucius, Bella and Regulas are all related......!! Maybe LV felt that he could trust them for some reason... they're all pure-blood and one of the oldest wizarding families.

By the way can someone type in here the whole quote of that locket note please, I still don't have my book back! I really want to read that note again!

[thestral]

well here you go snowy,

"To the Dark Lord
I know i will be dead long before you read this
but i want you to know that it was i who discovered your secret.
I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as i can.
I face death in the hope that when you meet your match,
you will be mortal once again.
R.A.B"

[annachie]

Kinda reads like either a: R.A.B knew of the prophecy, or B: R.A.B subscribed to the theory that no matter how bnig and bad you are, there's someone bigger and badder around the corner.
I tip a myself.

[Tanuki]

I'm going with B myself. I get the feeling that this is not teh first time a badf guy like Voldy has shown up, or the first time they are likely to be defeated

[Snow_Crystal]

well here you go snowy,

"To the Dark Lord
I know i will be dead long before you read this
but i want you to know that it was i who discovered your secret.
I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as i can.
I face death in the hope that when you meet your match,
you will be mortal once again.
R.A.B"

Thanks Thestral!!

So this actually makes me think now that LV did not send RAB to set up the cave. Someone said it on here and it got me thinking and I know I have agreed with this somewhere else on the site!

I wonder how he learned about LV's horcruxes in the first place? I wonder if Slughorn led him in that direction? I'm a firm believer in the Regulas theory and we know that Regulas was in Slytherin while Slughorn was Head of Slytherin...we know that Slughorn is worried about his own safety from LV...

It sounds like Regulas knew he was about to die but it gives us no indication of how he thinks he's going to die. This is what is stumping me. If he wanted to back out, he should have stolen the locket horcrux, destroyed it and then backed out so that at the very least the horcrux would be destroyed. I think it begs the question did someone else find out he was going after horcruxes and dob him in, in unbelievably quick time?

How interesting would it be if actually Regulas wasn't dead? His portrait wasn't mentioned at Grimauld Place - hmm that might be more straws sorry...