Snape

[Anna Black]

I do believe that Snape wouldn't have killed DD unless he felt there was no other way. If he hadn't, LV would have certaintly killed Draco and his mother for his failure. Also, DD would have probably still died. The other DEs were itching to kill him. If Draco didn't, they would. So Snape killed him. DD, Draco, and Narcissa...or just DD. Also, I just thought of this, Snape himself would have died for failing to keep his vow. How would he help against LV if he's dead?

Either way, I believe DD was going to die, one of the other DEs would have finished Draco's job. At least this way, Snape still keeps appearances.

[Froggs]

Even if Snape is going to turn out good, he put his life before DDs. Even if DD told him to do it, he (snape) is the one who actually made the choice to kill DD. I don't think anyone can kill anyone for any greater good. It doesn't make sense. Plus DD is far more powerful than Snape (and liable to be a bigger help for the order), even though he had taken some kind of poison. If Snape had turned on the DE's and perhaps stunned Malfoy, he could have saved DD or at least tried. I can't imagine that Snape can still be on the "good" side. He can't pass on info to the order anymore, since they all know he killed DD. The only thing he can do is await the final battle and help HP at the last moment. And really, he's never liked the kid, why would he bother? Snape has to die IMO in order to gain any good guy credability, no one will forgive him for killing DD.

[Eos]

Plus, Snape's had so many chances to kill anyone at Hogwarts; he's always come across to me as the wronged anti-hero of the books.

Well, he explained quite well why he didn't kill anyone, right at the beginning to Bellatrix and Narcissa... I kinda "liked" him, too, but that's more a result of Alan Rickman playing him in the films.
Anyway: It says that "there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face." while he is killing DD. It's not only showing hatred, its [b]etched [/b]into his face. You could read that as Snape hating what he does, but I would think that he shows in that very moment that he hates all this Order/Love/Harry/DD-stuff. He is sick of it, can't play on both sides anymore - not in this situation, he is forced to show his true ambition! He could've shown the Death Eaters that he's with DD and actually saving DDs life. But he goes with the Death Eaters. Then he is shouting at Harry all this stuff about the potions book, calls Harry's father "filthy" while trying to get away. He is on the top of his temper when Harry calls him a coward, becoming inhuman... To me this doesn't look like trying to explain the things behind all that, does it?
I really have to laugh about myself, sobbing about the death of a fictional person once more and then feeling deeply disappointed, even betrayed by another fictional person. It's like in "Hamlet": "Foul is fair and fair is foul" and foul is Snape...

[sirius_lives_forever]

I was so enraged with Snape, I was so mad. I completely think that he is on VD's side......GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

[Froggs]

It's like in "Hamlet": "Foul is fair and fair is foul" and foul is Snape...

I thought that was Macbeth?

[Fweegal]

It is.

Snape's rage could have been from being forced to kill DD, as part of an Unbreakable vow, either the one with Narcissa or a second one with DD.

Though I can't see DD being the kind of person to demand such a vow.

[Eos]

I thought that was Macbeth?[/quote]

You're right of course... Well - that's where it gets you: showing off what big reader I am and then this

[Froggs]

You're right of course... Well - that's where it gets you: showing off what big reader I am and then this

<lol> There is a bit of Hamlet in HP though, maybe? Speaking of comparisons, I bet LOTR/antiHP groups get on her about the "dead Lake" scene, a bit similair to the Dead Marshes, don't you think?

[Eos]

<lol> There is a bit of Hamlet in HP though, maybe? Speaking of comparisons, I bet LOTR/antiHP groups get on her about the "dead Lake" scene, a bit similair to the Dead Marshes, don't you think?

It's not only the LOTR/antiHP goups who think so. Even I was reminded of the dead marshes and found it not that smart. But compared to all the unique things being written in the books is rather a small bit of critique from my side.
If it's going on like this with all the people dying it's really a bit like Hamlet where nearly everybody is dead in the end!
I just realized that the DADA-job is vacant one more time - well, I really wouldn't apply for that one ....

[Augusta Longbottom]

He could've shown the Death Eaters that he's with DD and actually saving DDs life. But he goes with the Death Eaters.

No, he couldn't have -- because of the Unbreakable Vow he has with Narcissa.

Part of the Unbreakable Vow says: "And should it prove necessary...if it seems Draco will fail...will you carry out the deed that the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform?"

Snape responds with "I will" thus completing the bond of the vow...so Snape has no choice whatsoever when Draco doesn't manage to kill DD himself.

[Froggs]

Well, he does have a choice, he could have died himself. Also, we know that DD was wearing the ring that was a Horcrux, we know that DD gives Snape credit for removing, or at least helping, to remove the ring, so does that mean Snape knows that DD is trying to destroy LV's horcruxes? And if Snape is bad, does that mean he will tell LV about what DD has been doing?

[Phaerie]

Snape didn't really have a choice once he got into the tower. he had to kill Dumbledore, otherwise he would have died. Firstly because by not killing DD he would have broken the unbreakable vow- which we get told by Ron means you die. Secondly even if this for some reason didn't kill him, there was three death eaters standing behind him. And even if he also managed to evade them he'd be top of Voldemorts hit list and wouldn't survive long if he showed allegiance to the order. In his actions Snape was ensuring that at least Harry Draco and himself survived. DD would have died whatever Snape did- if he hadn't killed him one of the other death eaters would have. Who then might have put two and towo tegether about the two broomsticks and realised there was another person somewhere in the room too. Snape acted to save as many people as possible. DD was pretty much doomed from the minute Snape made the unbreakable vow, which was necesary to maintainSnapes connection to Voldemort.

[Broccoli]

I am still not sure on whose side Snape is. On the one hand, the book seems to show how wrong people can be trusting someone: Harry trusting the Half-Blood Prince and DD trusting Snape. There is a similarity between these two lines that creates a feeling that DD might have trusted Snape without any good reason, just as Harry believed in nothing evil hidden in the book.

On the other hand, I see a point in the theory that Snape acted on DD's orders. If he had been on dark side all the time, why
didn't he kill DD earlier?

[Mistress Siana]

Also, DD would have probably still died. The other DEs were itching to kill him. If Draco didn't, they would. So Snape killed him. DD, Draco, and Narcissa...or just DD. Also, I just thought of this, Snape himself would have died for failing to keep his vow. How would he help against LV if he's dead?

Either way, I believe DD was going to die, one of the other DEs would have finished Draco's job. At least this way, Snape still keeps appearances.

I think there's even more to that. When Hermione saw DD's injured hand, she went specualting on magical injuries that couldn't be healed and poisons that don't have antidotes. I believe that part was in there for a reason: The injury the ring caused clearly was incurable, so it's more than likely the potion DD drank was a poison without antidote.

And I don't think the fact that the thing that weakened DD so much was a potion was a coincidence. Now who would have brewed such a potion for Voldemort? Couldn't that be the thing Snape regrets so much?

[Froggs]

IF Snape was bad all along, he wouldn't have gone after anyone without LV's permission, this would explain why he had not acted. I think it shows weakness on LV's part, getting someone else to kill the wizard that everyone's knows is the only one he ever feared? Seems like he wimped out to me, especially after DD basically chased him off at the Ministry...the whole thing is fishy.,,LV must have figured Draco would never have been successful and was kept in the dark about Snape's promise, and the whole "kill DD" thing was just a torture method for the Malfoy family, punishment ya know.