Just finished - am in shock

[thestral]

good to see you back just mom, missed your contributions to our 'discussions' about ginny/harry, hermione/ron.

i finished jane eyre a while ago, and although it was enjoyable, i didn't really take to it in the same way i loved wuthering heights. wuthering heights was wild, untamed unpredictable love that was controlled by no man, heaven or even death. but in jane eyre, she left her love because it was the 'right' thing to do. she was too conventional and righteous but not in a good way. in a annoying, duty-bound way. i felt like screaming at her several times in the book. but i liked the concept of her character, her plain, straight-talking character. but wuthering heights will forever remain the pinnacle of literature for me. not even harry and ginny can beat heathcliff and cathy .

anyway back to book 6. i like your theory tanuki about the last horcrux being in harry. hence the scar. oh no, i don't want that to happen though. as much as i hated harry in OotP, his attitude in this one was exactly the way it should have been. i regained my liking of harry after his annoying-ness of OotP. but i really hope you're wrong tanuki. i hope harry doesn't have to die. that would be sad to say the least

[Tanuki]

Just because we don't want Harry to die, doesn't mean that it isn't likely, or necessary. The only thing I don't like is Snape's continued attitude that Harry is talentless and that he is not special. This is a device used too often, and it annoys me. Just once, I want to see a villian that acknowledges the heroes gifts, instead of constantly acting like he's the king of the mountain

[thestral]

yup, i also think snape calling harry useless and untalented, pompous, arrogant, etc etc blah blah blah. is very overused. i would also like to see the 'villain' (if that's how you can describe him, it's hard to put a label on) acknowledge his talent. although maybe that's why harry will survive, because voldemort and snape underestimate harry and therefore will be defeated by him.

and i know that jsu because we don't want him to die it doesn't mean he's safe. i mean sirius and DD were my 2 favourite characters. i didn't want them to die and lo and behold. they're dead. we don't always get what we want in life. alas.....

[fang2]

Interesting theory, but remember that Harry has something in him that is so abhorent to Voldemort that he could not bear to possess him in OoTP. So it would seem unlikely that a part of Voldemort's sould could be within Harry.

just my 2 cents.

[Tanuki]

True, that's a VERY good point. However, I don't think Harry's love is connected to Voldermort's soul. And remember, it's only a piece of his soul

[Imelyen]

Tanuki said -

1) Snape might just make one more twist. Dumbledore was weak and dying throughout the book. Who's to say Snape wasn't doing DD's will in letting him die that way

I agree, I think the entire thing was planned, and when Harry meets up with snape in the 7th book and harry has him down and helpless Snapes going to fill him in that it was Dumbledores plan the entire time to have.
Dumbledore pleading with snape was kind of a dead give away, it's not in his character to beg for his life....I translated his pleas as a reminder of what he had to do.

2) Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that the last Horcrux isn't in Voldermort, but in Harry. I take back my thing on one being alive at teh end of the books. I think Harry has to kill himself to totally make Voldermort mortal and then someone will be able to kill him

Dumbledore said Horcrux had to be in the being that is being regenerated.

[Tanuki]

Dumbledore said Horcrux had to be in the being that is being regenerated.

What does that even mean?

[Imelyen]

N/M, sorry, thought you meant that the piece of the soul that was supposed to be in Voldemort was in Harry (been up for 36 hours straight and i guess i mistranslated what was being said)

[redshoesrock]

>>Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that the last Horcrux isn't in Voldermort, but in Harry. I take back my thing on one being alive at teh end of the books. I think Harry has to kill himself to totally make Voldermort mortal and then someone will be able to kill him<<

I've been thinking that very scenerio - it would explain Harry's scar, Harry's parseltounge ability, etc, much better than the "some of Voldemort's "power" went into Harry" theory. Naturally, it would be completely accidental; Voldemort never intended Harry to be a Horcrux, he intended him dead. If this is true, it will be the huge revelation at the end of the seventh book, probably during the "big battle": Harry, the OOTP, and the DA, are fighting Voldemort and the Death Eaters over getting to Voldemort's "last" Horcrux (It would be ironic and almost perfect if it were an item IN Hogwarts itself - Harry having left Hogwarts to scour the earth for the remaining Horcruxes, when the "last" one is in Hogwarts itself). The OOTP and the DA destroy the Horcrux, but still can't kill Voldemort. Harry would put the pieces together, figure out HE'S the last Horcrux, sacrifice himself (He wouldn't have someone else do it - he would sacrifice himself as the hero), and then the OOTP and the DA would kill Voldemort. I could also imagine Harry having a grave next to Dumbledore's on Hogwarts' grounds.

[Tanuki]

That's exactly the way I envisioned it. Crazy how easy it is to see some of these plot lines forming. Then again, with a story like this, it sort of flows in its own direction, independant of the author at times, and easily followed with enough imagination

[Chesirae]

Okay, first:
I AM SO SORRY! I accidently clicked something, and I think I reported you to the moderators. SORRY! I'm new here, I didn't mean it, I swear!
Second:
R.A.B?! Who is he? I think it's Regulus Black. It'd be just like JKR, wouldn't it?
Check my post on the Theories forum for HBP.
Third:
Severus can't be the HBP, can he? I mean, Harry said the book was from fifty years ago, which ruled out his dad. And Severus was in the same year as James, right?
Any theories for this? I don't understand why Snape would lie about something like that. Jealousy? Any clue at all?[/quote]

[Chesirae]

>>Naturally, it would be completely accidental; Voldemort never intended Harry to be a Horcrux, he intended him dead.<<
Okay, sorry. One more thing and then I swear I'll be done for awhile.
The entire reason dear old Voldy didn't die was because he already had his little Crux thingamijigs, right?
So why believe he would only do them slowly? Wouldn't he have them all in place before he went to the Potters? After all, he was in full power, and he did say he wanted seven holly-crux things, right?
It doesn't make alot of sense. The diary, the cup, the ring, the locket, something of ravenclaw's, Nagini and himself.
Besides, you had to have a death, right? And don't you think that if Voldemort were fussing over a spell on James or Lily's death, he would've put his precious soul in something besides Harry? After all, the spell they talk about sounds very, very complicated. Almost like the same sort of spell they cast to make Voldy come back. It's not like you could accidently split your soul and put it in someone, is it? And wouldn't it be a waste to pass on a bit of your soul to a baby if you were just going to kill him? It doesn't make much sense to me.

[Tanuki]

He never did it on purpose, it was entirely coincidental to Harry. something om Harry took Voldy's soul instead of being affected by the curse. this is what made Harry so special

[felix felicis]

"Had a house-elf taste every bottle after what happened to your poor friend Rupert." -Slughorn
Isn't it funny how Slughorn gets Ron's name wrong in his drunken state and how it just happens to be the name of the actor playing Ron in the HP movies? I think JKR had a Dumbledoreish twinkle in her eye when putting that tiny bit in. Just for laughs. Very Mark Twain of her.

Is it just me or did Slughorn's attempts to buddy up with the famous and well-connected seemed Lockhartish albeit a much more competent Lockhart. Not just a stupid git. I felt a familar pang of annoyance.

Who's to say Snape wasn't doing DD's will in letting him die that way?

I was thinking the exact same thing about Snape and DD. DD made it very very clear that he wanted Harry to do nothing but fetch Snape in his weakened state. And even while I was reading it, there was something about the way DD said please, it just made me think that maybe he was saying please do it. Although with this theory, it makes it hard for me to understand the look of hatred that Snape had toward DD.
Although, I do not think the only reason DD trusted Snape was because he "felt sorry" and "didn't know" about who the prophecy related to. I think there is something else. Something DD didn't say. Why else would he have answered so firmly that he absolutely trusted Snape? Yes, he makes mistakes but it is hard for me to see him making a mistake of such importance. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. And freezing Harry for the entire scene. Is it possible he wanted Harry to actually witness Snape killing him. He knows what Harry is like and he knows Harry would go after Snape for that. And since he knew Draco was targeting him and not Harry, freezing Harry could not just have been for Harry's own safety, could it?

Severus can't be the HBP, can he? I mean, Harry said the book was from fifty years ago, which ruled out his dad. And Severus was in the same year as James, right?

Well... when you get a textbook for school, it's not necessarily new is it? All the students apparently are using the same book through generations, seeing how easy it was to supply Harry and Ron with school books they didn't buy. I'm thinking the HBP is undisputably Snape; he bought a book that's just been in circulation for fifty years.

[Mistress Siana]

The book might have belonged to Snape's mum...

Goodness, I've finished a minute ago and can't possibly express the shock I'm in...that's not right, it just isn't...

Normally, I'd do my 'hate to say I told you so' dance now, for several reasons...Dumbledore dying exactly when I predicted...the countless hours I tried to convince you lot Snape was actually on the dark side...the fact that Snape's cutting curse in OotP was important, just like the 'hangin' spell...Narcissa's involvement with the Death Eaters...Ron/Hermione...Harry/Ginny...but I don't feel like it.
That's just the way I did NOT want the story to take, Snape killing Dumbledore. I don't know...I also have this feeling there was more to it, considering how urgently Dumbledore asked for Snape, and how he pleaded him shortly before his death. Maybe the hate in Snape's eyes was because DD forced him to kill him? But I'm afraid that's a bit of wishful thinking from my part.

Also, the fact that DD 'froze' Harry keeps me wondering...It doesn't make sense, does it? Dumbledore protecting Harry against Draco, Harry could've handled Draco very well alone, he's done so before. Dumbledore, in fact, seemed somewhat eager to die at the end...that doesn't make sense! Maybe Snape's in fact another Horcrux, and Dumbledore wanted Harry to watch that scene to make him angry enough to destroy Snape? What else did Dumbledore know, especially about Snape? After all, he was pretty much aware that the DADA teachers all would last only year.

And I believe RAB must be Regulus...God, I can't believe JKR's doing it again, presenting us a senseless, unnecessary death. First Sirius and the mirror, now the Horcrux that was already gone. And how on earth could one person have done that alone?

And Snape being the HBP? I actually figured it out halfway through the book. Snape's look at the party, the draught of the living dead was a clue, too, the leviacorpus spell as well, and the fact that the 'ominous spell' Harry used on Draco was the spell Snape had used on James was the final give away.

I'm so shocked. And no, I'm not ready to comment on Remus/Tonks yet