Dumbledore gone bad?

[Lupus]

DD being bad would really be a bad turn. After all, this is not soap opera.

[Dumbledores Master]

what was the point of putting up that!!!! The evidence is staring you in the face that dumbledore will never become evil. And you call yourself a fan.

[Seraphine]

Ladies and gentlemen... truly: I do not think DD can be bad at all, but my eyes have seen many... well, weird things... so everything's possible. And it's just for fun

Seraphine

[Moonstone]

Think i agree there..

[Athena Appleton]

I think a common misconception about the Harry Potter books is that J.K. Rowling just comes up with twists and plotlines out of her backside. In reality, her plots are carefully constructed so that information doesn't conflict and things happen in a very orderly fashion (even if it totally throws us off)...

She hasn't, as far as I can tell, had a single clue showing that Dumbledore would be evil.

Order of Merlin, First Class, Grand Sorcerer (In some cases, Sorcerer's are EVIL), Chief Warlock (Warlocks are by most definitions EVIL), Supreme Mugwump (What's that?), International Confederation of Wizards.

Just curious, does the U.K. version (Philosophers, not Sorcerers, Stone) refer to him as Grand Sorcerer?

I think in the non-magical world, warlocks and sorcerers are evil, just like you usually think of witches being evil. In Rowling's magical Harry Potter world, witches are regular people.

[Dumbledores Master]

sorry for my last post about you hearing things.

Athena is right about the sorcerer and warlock thing (whats the difference between a warlock and a wizard?) and what is a Mugwump?

[Moonstone]

Perhaps i´m just going over the top or from the topic (hope not though) but when i read the Potter books i just can´t help feeling that i have read it somewere else because it´s so much like the world ware 1 and 2... And if so... Well in that case if the books are based on that i don´t think DD will go bad for he is the Wizard worlds Churchill fighting aginst the enemy and Voldemort is Hitler, the enemy...

Ok i might be wrong when i say this and if someone thinks that i´m losing it when i writte this.. so be it.. but its just a thought..

and if i´m wrong now when i have written this i just can say SORRY
any other suggestioon???

[Athena Appleton]

Dumbledore's Master: a Mugwump is the same thing as a borogove

Moonstone: there are lots and lots of similarities between HP/WWII... according to Rowling, they're accidental parallels that will come up with any epic good versus evil story... So she didn't write intending to parallel WWI, WWII, Christ vs. Satan, etc...

I do think it's kinda fun, though, to dream up all the different elements going into it... Dumbledore as Hitler, Death Eaters as the Nazi Party, Inquisitorial Squad as the Aryan Youth Leagues, the Order as the Allies, the DA as the various resistance groups, mudbloods as the jews/gypsies/intellectuals/other people Hitler wanted to get rid of... Educational decrees as the edicts put out by the Nazis...

There's a thread somewhere around here about this... I don't remember the name of it, but I started it, and it's got the word Nazi in it...

[Dumbledores Master]

Athena Appleton: whats a BOROGROVE?????????? *is admitted to St Mungos criminally insane department*

[Athena Appleton]

*sigh* If you are any older than 13, I am depressed that the school system has not taught you what a borogove is. (it's borogove, not borogrove)

In Alice in Wonderland, and Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Finds There, Lewis Carroll uses all kinds of nonsense words. In Looking Glass, he has a poem called Jabberwocky, gorgeous, but it confused the heck out of people for a long long time, and still does today.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

A "borogove", a "mome rath" a "wabe", a "slithy tove"... it's all words made up in Lewis Carroll's head, to make sense in his imaginary world, but can't be explained properly in the real world.

J.K. Rowling does a lot of that, and a Mugwump is one of those, I think. She could give you a definition, but just like "Muggles", "Aveda Kedavra" and many other words she uses, she made them up. They arent' real things, except in her Harry Potter world. So a mugwump is the same thing as a borogove. It's a word made up that, unless she chooses to tell us what it means, can't be explained by anyone other than J.K. Rowling herself. Therefore, it makes zero sense to obsess about it, because no one on here can give you the answer.

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

OMG, I soooo had a dream about how the HP books end last night and I'm gonna post it here b/c I cant find a better place!! But of course as you may have guessed, I've forgotten. BUT, I remember very tiny flashbulb pieces(I wont write any of the ridiculus ones): Lucius is a spy for the Order, Hermione is thrown from her broom(dunno why she's on a broom). Those two are the most vivid. The actual "ending/defeat of voldy" was dumb. Hagrid got him. lol! But now that I've dreamed it, I want to believe that Lucius is a spy and Hermione gets into Quidditch.

[Athena Appleton]

you're getting too much into Harry Potter...

I always know that I need to stop if I'm having dreams about whatever I'm obsessed with... so if I have Harry Potter dreams, I have to take a little time away... if I have dreams about the end of the world, I need to stop reading the Left Behind books for a little while... if I dream and it's all me typing on the computer, I know I need to have some non-computer time for a while...

[Alice I]

I am envious of Athena and Evil Wizard Petting Zoo (BTW way cool name)
I never dream like that. I used to when I was younger but not for many years.
If ever I do dream it is always about stupid mundane stuff like cleaning the house or bathing the kids or cooking dinner. Ho Hum what a boaring subconcious I have.

Oh and to keep on topic:

DD is not now nor will he ever be a bad guy.

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

Haha! I dream Harry Potter alot. Mostly quidditch tho.
But if I'm not dreaming that I'll dream I'm at Sonic, where I work. What a waste, eh? I work all the time anyways then I getta come home and dream about it and I dont even get paid! I never get my paycheck in my dream!!

Anyways, I can't see EVERYTHING becoming flip-flopped in the end. Especially DD going bad. That would be sooooo wrong of JKR if she did that. There would be rioting in the streets, people would be picketing outside her house.

[Athena Appleton]

well, I highly doubt there's any chance of that happening... like I said, Rowling likes to leave plenty of breadcrumbs for us to pick up on her clues, and as far as I can tell, there is not one single clue that Dumbledore will go bad...