Dumbledore's death, a ruse? *theory discussion*

[Snow_Crystal]

Agreed but DD did accept that she has made the odd correct prediction.

Sorry Crystalised_Pineapple - I just read my message and realised I hadn't written what I meant to write. I meant to write:

I wonder if DD recorded his memory of the lightning struck tower conversation he had with Trelawny so it could be used in his pensieve.

NOT

I wonder if DD recorded his memory of the lightning struck tower so it could be used in his pensieve.

Sorry to confuse!

[crystallised_pineapple]

ahhh lol that does make more sense...

maybe he did and it could help if the snape is good theory does prove true to show harry that DD was expecting somehting...

then again i think snape is bad...

[Snow_Crystal]

but then again how do we know that as well - Trelawny made her second prediction of the lightning struck tower - how do we know she didn't predict Draco's trap and inform DD?

1) DD doesn't put too much stock in prophecies

2) prophesies are known for being vague

I have to disagree with this. If DD didn't respect Trelawny's first prediction/prophecy he would have happily killed LV in the MoM in OOTP. I think he (and all other wizards incidentally) respect when Prophecies are made. They might be vague but we can assume he particularly respected Trelawny's first prediction which after all she has so far got partially right - he will mark him as his equal, he will be born as July ends etc.

He also seemed to respect her again in PoA when Harry told him that Trelawny made another prediction.

[Tanuki]

he would have happily killed LV in the MoM in OOTP

Since when does Dumbledore happily kill anyone? It's not in his character to willingly kill. Killing is harder than you think, even Dumbledore. As it is, it will probably destroy Harry. I only think he'll do it at this point because he has to

[Snow_Crystal]

he would have happily killed LV in the MoM in OOTP

Since when does Dumbledore happily kill anyone? It's not in his character to willingly kill.

Tanuki what books are you reading? Can you explain what DD did to Grindelwald please?

[Tanuki]

No one ever said, but everything we know of DD's character, how he views death and killing. Could you visualize someone who works so hard to believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt, willingly killing someone; or, dare I say it, happily killing someone?

[Snow_Crystal]

Yes but he does have a chuckle to himself every time LV had a setback. he is also very proud of Harry when he takes him on.

DD wants the end of LV's reign. He respects the prophecy and believes it could be true that either LV or HP will need to kill the other. But he would rather Harry lived because of the good in him, his loyalty to him, his knowing Lily and James etc etc.

DD started a quest to destroy the horcruxes because he wants the rule of LV to stop and he wants LV's DE's to stop killing people. If that means LV has to die then DD would be thinking "so be it". He will do whatever he needs to, to reach his goal and that's the bottomline.

[Asphodel]

The phoenix's lament means that Dumbledore is dead. That's it, the end. J.K.R was opening the field for Harry to die.

[Asphodel]

Sorry for double post but I hadn't read the whole thread . On current topic, Dumbledore didn't willingly kill Grindelwald, he had to kill Grindelwald. Dumbledore can kill, but he wouldn't do anything worse than killing. The least harmful way to remove Grindelwald from the public, would be to kill him.