Snape

[Tanuki]

This isn't a goth vogue, misunderstood hero story. Snape was playing everyone for a fool. He made you all pity and spat on your emotions... deal with it

[Person1]

Well, right at the end, Snape did save Harry, telling the person not to touch him, "He belongs to LV"

[Tanuki]

yeeeeeeeeeeah, promising him to his greatest enemy... that's really saving him. Snape heard the prophecy, he knows no one else can kill either of them. On top of that, I'm still convinced he wants Harry to kill Voldermort as well, so that Snape is one of the only superpowers in action in the wizarding world

[Person1]

well, there is no way to change ur mind, till ya read the book,(something called "Lacking an open-mind")

[Tanuki]

No, I lack for nothing, I just don't want to excuse Snape for things anymore. He killed Dumbledore and there is no excusing that

[SunsetG|rl]

Snape was playing everyone for a fool. He made you all pity and spat on your emotions... deal with it

well i guess it will be my mistake for hoping the best. and what is wrong with believing the best in people? (exept for the fact that it might bring you to death...see dd case ) well i still don't believe he's an evil person.no matter how much you like to disagree.

all the arguments i read on this forum only made me more sure that he's on the good side. though he might have some difficulty in proivng himself to his fellow kind... but still i think it would be better if he was really good and not evil...

i think i am being so confusing. feel like i'm repeating the same thing over and over ...darn ... i just want him good...oh please, oh please...snape...be good

and as far for excusing him...if he did what dd asked...is that excusable? i mean you have to do what someone's asking you to do...if you love them? don't you? (this is kinda I, Robot-thing...and they did found it excusable for sony ...the robot in the movie... for killing his master...after all it was kinda of a suicide...sony was just the weapon...the object in use...can't we consider snape just the same - did you actually see I, Robot?)

[Tanuki]

I saw it... and I vastly disagree

[thestral]

when it comes to snape i think there is a chronic inability to see what is glaringly obvious. SNAPE. IS. NOT. GOOD.

he killed DD for crying out loud!!!! he took the unbreakable vow. he's been shady the whole way through the damn thing. sometimes you have to stop looking for loopholes (and the best in people) and take a good long hard look at what is actually there, not what you INTERPRET to be there. the difference is vast.

and all this hard 'evidence' that snape is good that is not irrefutable evidence. that is your interpretation of his evil actions (killing DD) you are interpreting the way he went about killing DD as good. but that is not irrefutable evidence.

[annachie]

I've just about finished my re-read of HBP and got to the part where Snape and Draco are fleeing and Harry is chasing them.


There's Harry tossing curses etc, and all Snape would have to do to escape is a petrificus totalus or similar, but what does he do. he defends, he goads. It felt like he was teaching Harry a lesson. In a mean spirited, Snapeish kind of way. But a lesson none the less. At least until Harry upset him with the ankle grabber curse. (Levi Corpus?

Snape is undoubtably a bad man. But which side is he really working for?

The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly?

[Tanuki]

The Ugly, he's in it for himself, but Draco forced his hand

[Claire]

when it comes to snape i think there is a chronic inability to see what is glaringly obvious. SNAPE. IS. NOT. GOOD.

he killed DD for crying out loud!!!! he took the unbreakable vow. he's been shady the whole way through the damn thing. sometimes you have to stop looking for loopholes (and the best in people) and take a good long hard look at what is actually there, not what you INTERPRET to be there. the difference is vast.

and all this hard 'evidence' that snape is good that is not irrefutable evidence. that is your interpretation of his evil actions (killing DD) you are interpreting the way he went about killing DD as good. but that is not irrefutable evidence.

The evidence that he's bad isn't hard either. Rowling obviously wanted to leave it ambiguous or there wouldn't be so many loopholes, so many things about Snape left inexplicable.

It's likely that he's truely on Voldemort's side, but there is still quite a possibility that he's good.

[Ginny Potter]

I get that people are passionate about their particular sides, but I really wish posters would refrain from insisting that people just "accept the truth" and be on their side. Even if you are "right", that isn't the point...people have a right to NOT agree with you, either way, for or against Snape (or any other issue), particularly when the author herself left it wide open to interpretation. Though you might prove to be correct in the end, unless you are JKR (or one of the many cropping up at the minute proclaiming to be in contact with her, which is another issue entirely), NO ONE knows for sure the truth and insisting people just aren't "facing facts", facts you are interpreting yourself, is insulting. And really, it defeats the point of a forum...where ideas are shared and respected. I haven't posted in a while here at BaO because it gets my hackles up when people are so into their views they get disrespectful of opposing viewpoints...I fully expect we'll disagree, but please don't attack people for not agreeing with you and insinuating they're stupid for not doing so.

That said, it happens I am one of the people that doesn't believe Snape is completely evil, though I will be the first to admit I may be proven wrong when book 7 is released, and that's fine...is that not the fun of the books? To speculate and then see what is confirmed for you and what is a surprise to you in the new book? I'm fine with intelligent debate, being wrong, and learning something new, but I'm not okay with slagging people off for not agreeing with you or reading gloats when you're right. So, please...stop. I think there is a case for both sides, and we'll all have to wait until book 7 to see what the answer is. Only JKR has the answers...and she chose to leave it open, so ALL speculations are valid...at least, that's how I feel. I like the different ideas I'm reading, and it's making my second read-through of HBP even more interesting.

Please, let's get back to what makes BaO a pleasant and interesting place to post...debate to expand our minds without stooping to insult those with opposing viewpoints to further our case...I think ALL of our ideas are really interesting, and I often like to read them more than I like to post myself.

*steps off soapbox* Thank you!

[Snow_Crystal]

Well said!

I vote Snape not evil!

[Phinea Rogue]

Nicely said, Ginny Potter.

Anyway, I don't know how it is with other Snape fans, but I don't really care which side he is on. It's such a fun not to know it, one day you think he's truly evil, returning to Voldemort and the other day you read all these theories and think that hey, he might be good after all. Personally, I believe that he might be somewhere in between - being both and neither of them - but whether he's evil or good, it doesn't change the fact that he's my favourite character. It's not because I was fooled, I was expecting that he might turn evil and sort of preparing myself... but it's because of his characterisation. He seems real, he's not too good to be unrealistic (I believe it's very difficult to write a realistic good character) and not too evil to be an ordinary villain (which is quite difficult to write well too).

[Snow_Crystal]

Yeah totally agree - we always love to hate the bad guys..Darth Vader for example