Snape

[Tanuki]

Also, if you read the section where Snape is talking to Bella and Cissy, and they are talking about how Snape knows the plan he says "I believe the Dark Lord intends for me to do it in the end. " No matter what side he was on, there was no weisaling out of that deal

[Ginny Potter]

I'm just finishing re-reading HBP since the first time I marathon-read it when it came out, and I can't get over how much more sinister Snape seems this go-around. Maybe because I'm reading things slower...everything seems more intense, scary, sad. It's almost like reading a different book!

Did anyone catch when Harry was having detentions with Snape that Harry said to us (the readers) how Snape had told him the detentions might carry on to next year if he didn't finish? Maybe Snape just said that to throw Harry off that he'd be around, because Snape had to know his time was near because of the curse on the DADA position. Yet, that part seemed odd to me...

I want to better understand Dumbledore's conversation with Snape that Hagrid overheard (and may or may not have heard correctly). What was Snape tired of? Keeping an eye on Draco? Being a spy for Dumbledore? What exactly? And what didn't Snape want to do? Would someone who has the books please post that passage? Thanks!

[SunsetG|rl]

you mean this part?

"Well — I jus' heard Snape sayin’ Dumbledore took too much fer granted an maybe he— Snape — didn’ wan’ ter do it any more —“
"Do what?"
"I dunno, Harry, it sounded like Snape was feelin’ a bit overworked, tha's all — anyway, Dumbledore told him flat out he'd agreed ter do it an' that was all there was to it. Pretty firm with him. An' then he said summat abou’ Snape makin' investigations in his House, in Slytherin. Well, there's nothin' strange abou' that!" Hagrid added hastily, as Harry and Hermione exchanged looks full of meaning. "All the Heads o' Houses were asked ter look inter that necklace business —"
"Yeah, but Dumbledore's not having rows with the rest of them, is he?" said Harry.
"Look," Hagrid twisted his crossbow uncomfortably in his hands; there was a loud splintering sound and it snapped in two. "I know what yeh're like abou' Snape, Harry, an' I don' want yeh ter go readin' more inter this than there is."

[Snow_Crystal]

I have a new question regarding Snape!

When Snape is teaching HP Occlumency, he extracts 3 strands of memories and puts them into the Pensieve. What do you think they were?

1. We know is the memory of Snape, James, Sirius etc at Hogwarts

My theory on the other two are:

2. A memory of Harry's parents being murdered by LV (I am a strong believer that Snape might have been there that night)

3. A memory of a conversation with DD - the one where he convinces DD he's on DD's side.

What do you think?

[crystallised_pineapple]

hmmm... interesting i've never thought about it....

maybe something to do with the time he actually joined LV and the DE's i mean he wouldn't want harry seeing that...

i definately like the idea of a conversation with DD... hmm... i wonder if we'll ever find out...

[SunsetG|rl]

Wait...I'm still confused on how this pensive works. Didn't he put all the 3 memories in the pensive? So couldn't it have been the same memory only that he got it out in 3 different takes... like a large file that will go on 3 different floppy disks or something.

Then again it is a quite interesting theory. Though I don't really agree about the one on Snape beeing there. I'm more on a "Dumbledore beeing there" thing. Though then why wouldn't he have taken Harry and left him with Hagrid? But I'm thinking about this theory because I believe it must have been someone on the good side there to witness Lord Voldemort's death, cause else how would people, I mean wizards, would have found out so quick about his death or something. I also think Snape is good so I'm mixing my ideeas now very cofusing. Hope you understand what I meant.

[Tanuki]

If DD were there, why would he have needed Hagrid to get Harry; certainly, he would have not needed to present some illusion of not being there. He would have had some better story to tell McGonnagal, or would have said he got Harry first. It just doesn't make sense to make this whole, long conspiracy and making it so complex. Plus, DD wants Harry alive, leaving him in the house to wait for Hagrid would be counterproductive to that

[SunsetG|rl]

Trully the whole "Hagrid gettin' Harry" makes no sense in this theory. But I was thinking that maybe Dumbledore was there wanting to stop lord Voldemort or something and he got there just to see lilly being kiled and Lord Voldemort finding his end. It made me think about it the potion in the cave... considering that it might bring out worse memories or something...and maybe it had something to do with it.

[Snow_Crystal]

I don't think DD was at the house when L&J died. He would surely have been able to prevent their deaths if he had been as he was the only one LV feared etc etc. That doesn't make sense to me.

Also on Hagrid going to collect Harry that does make sense to me, as I'm sure DD said he had to take care of a few things immediately after it happened - can't remember what they were but I'm sure there was mention in HBP wasn't there - I'm hoping to read this again at some point.

I think memories have to be extracted in one long strand so that they are complete. At least that's the impression I got.

[Dorothy]

We know what all the memories are:
the incident at Hogwarts with James, etc.
Snape cowarring in the corner of a room as his dad yells at his mom,
and Snape as a bored teen killing flies with magic.

Am I right here?

Didn't Harry see all of these images in the 5th book?

(Sorry about the boring login name. I'll have to change it for this forum )

[Snow_Crystal]

Hi Dorothy!

I think Harry saw Snape cowering in the corner of a room as his dad yells at his mom, and Snape as a bored teen killing flies with magic when Snape was trying to teach Harry Occlumens but Harry had actually used Leglimens on him instead. Snape then took more memories and put them in the Pensieve after Harry saw glimpses of these.

Harry saw the memory of the incident at Hogwarts with James, etc when he went inside the Pensieve.

So we are still none the wiser of what the other two might be.

[Person?]

Hmm..well, after reading a certain chapter in HP OotP called seen and unforseen, i found a convo between harry and snape, pg 591 US version


..."And its not up to you to find out what the Dark Lord is saying to his death eaters."

"No, i suppose thats your job, isnt it? harry Shot at him.

(exchange glares ect..)

Yes Potter, he said, his eyes glinting. "That is my job..."