How can Harry kill Voldemort or Voldemort kill Harry?

[thestral]

imagine if you could squib voldemort. that would be great. then put him in a zoo. mwahahahahaha

[Tanuki]

No, because he'd still try to find a way to either regain his followers or regain his powers. The only way to stop Voldermort is to destroy him

[Siruk]

No, because he'd still try to find a way to either regain his followers or regain his powers. The only way to stop Voldermort is to destroy him

Or lock him in a cage and poke him with sharp sticks, then slap him across the face with a wet salmon.

[Snow_Crystal]

I like your sense of of humour Siruk..

[SunsetG|rl]

more of a "how to kill and hurt others" sense

*rubbing freshly healed hand and running away from Siruk's teeth*

[Siruk]

Meh, I have a kind sensitive side, but I killed it a long time ago, and now there is only destruction muhahahahaha.

Now back on topic, they will both die when i come into the books and kill 'em both.

[Person1]

Eh, just make Voldie read some books, (ex. Ellen Foster, To Kill a Mocking Bird, War and Peace, ect) those kinda books would put him in a coma for a while. Then you sneak up behind, and stab him.

[darkcloak]

No, because he'd still try to find a way to either regain his followers or regain his powers. The only way to stop Voldermort is to destroy him

But I would argue that if you take away his 'special' powers you do destroy him e.g. would people still call him "he-who-must-not-be-named" anymore? Without his powers, Voldemort loses his followers (after all they are not friends and only follow his power, as seen when they deserted him before) and his whole persona of fear. He merely becomes an evil old muggle.

My argument is not that Harry should or will do this but merely that a life without powers would be worse than death for Voldemort.

[Tanuki]

He didn't have a body before, people thought he was dead. Yet, he was still feared, and there were still others willing to serve him. I mean, how much mroe powerless can you get if he has no body to cast spells? He was pathetic, he couldn't even move. Ghosts were better off than him, but he came back. how much more likely is it if he still has a body. no, to get rid of Voldermort for good, you have remove him from the world completely

[SunsetG|rl]

Yeah but not even that is going to be enough. If it's not Voldemort... it's just going to be another one with great power and thirst for evil and torture. Probably even Snape

[Siruk]

[quote="darkcloakBut I would argue that if you take away his 'special' powers you do destroy him e.g. would people still call him "he-who-must-not-be-named" anymore? [/quote]

No they would call him 'he-who-must-not-be-named-but-actaully-can-be-named-sofrom-henceforth-shall-be-called-voldemort-orsomething-like-that'

Or Boris

[thestral]

how in the hell could voldemort regain his power if he was a squib?!?!? he wouldn't even be able to perform the simplest spell. can you imagine his death riots. 'okay everyone go and kill people, but i'll just stand here in the middle and look evil....whilst perfecting my evil laugh muwhahaha....no that's not it, *clears throats* muhaha....GODAMMIT!!!!!'

anyway, i tend to get carried off on tangents. but how could he mantain the iron fist of fear over his DE's? he wouldn't be able to punish or torture them. in fact he would be at their mercy. others obey him because they thrive on his power, if he had no power they would turn against him in a second. and then probably fight each other for Voldemort's throne. (his figurative 'throne of power').

and i can imagine nothing worse for voldemort than being forced to live as a muggle. in fact for any wizard imagine having all these powers and having this whole world at your fingertips and then losing it all and having to live a normal life. you'd probably kill yourself.

and personally if i had voldemort stuck in a cage, i'd just stand outside it and sing, 'i know a song that'll get on your nerves, get on your nerves get on your nerves, i know a song that'll get on your nerves, alllllllll day longgggggg *pause and blissful silence* i know a song...' that and having the cage decorated with pictures of harry for his enjoyment and perusal....

[SunsetG|rl]

But still...wasn't he powerless? And without Wormtail's help he wouldn't have returned to power. He was dependent of others. He couldn't do much then. I think it was the memory of his power that made Wormtail help him. For fear that even if he doesn't help him, he will still return to power, and later on he will get punished for refusing to aid him. Like the people that even after his death refused to speak his name. And think that Bellatrix refuses to think of her lord as a half-blood. It's like a profane thing even to think of. But I think that if he would turn into a squib, the Death Eaters will help him.

[Nightcrawler]

The Death Eaters follow Voldermort for a variety of different reasons. Some of them are truly loyal (Bellatrix), some of them have common goals with Voldermort (Lucius), some of them have a lot of hate inside them and need a leader (Crabbe & Goyle) and others are with him out of fear (Wormtail). I think that if he fell from power, the Death Eaters would react in differrnt ways.

Most of the DE's became DE's simply because they hate muggles. When Voldermort fell for the first time, nobody put much effort into finding him. The loyal ones were locked up in Azkaban and the rest just went on with thier lives.

If Voldermort were to be turned into a sqib, I think that he might have one or two Death Eaters that would look after him, but I think most of them would abbandon him pretty quickly. And if Voldermort has a brain in his head, he would not dare to order anyone about whilst in his powerless state. Very few people would put up with cr*p like Wormtail did.

[Tanuki]

. but how could he mantain the iron fist of fear over his DE's? he wouldn't be able to punish or torture them. in fact he would be at their mercy. others obey him because they thrive on his power, if he had no power they would turn against him in a second. and then probably fight each other for Voldemort's throne. (his figurative 'throne of power').

how did he do it when he was less than a ghost? It wasn't always by fear that he led. He fed on prejudice and loyalty. If someone took away his powers. He'd just work on a potion till he could get them back, or simulate them. Voldermort has tenacity on his side, and a few followers who will follow him and try to help him no matter what state he's in. Look at Bella, look at Pettigrew, look at Snape