Why did Moody bewitch the triwizard cup into a portkey?

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Why did Moody bewitch the triwizard cup into a portkey?

Postby Groo » Saturday 10 April 2004 11:10:42am

i wonder why did the fake Moody have to make sure that harry have to take part in the triwizard tournament , win it safely and then bewitch the cup into a portkey so that Harry would be teleported to voldemort?

he could easily have bewitched anything else , say a book , into a portkey ,called harry to his office , given him the book to touch and sent him to Voldy. that would have made the 4th book so short wouldnt it? :lol:
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Postby Alice I » Saturday 10 April 2004 11:22:42am

Well Groo,
There's your answer :D
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Postby Centaur Lord » Saturday 10 April 2004 3:09:58pm

Also because if Harry knew that Moody was the person giving him the portkey, Harry would know that Moody was a Death Eater, something he is not supposed to know. So i guess its for security reasons, and because the book would be about 100 pages long. :D
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Postby choki » Saturday 10 April 2004 5:05:37pm

erm...then the story could be completed in less than 50 pages and people will lose interest in it???

The reason I could think of, is to keep the secret of Voldemort's return as secure as possible.
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Postby Groo » Saturday 10 April 2004 9:15:49pm

but the plan was to kill harry after he was brought before voldemort :???:
He certainly didnt think that Harry would manage to escape from the graveyard. and he was right. the priori incantem was a complete fluke. so even if harry would have come to know that Moody was a fake , he wouldnt have lived to tell it.
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Re: Why did Moody bewitch the triwizard cup into a portkey?

Postby Avalon-Queen » Saturday 10 April 2004 9:34:17pm

Groo wrote:that would have made the 4th book so short wouldnt it? :lol:

I think you've answered your question! :P lol
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Postby Nobby » Saturday 10 April 2004 9:44:28pm

yeah but harry's death could be blamed on the tournmant. im betting they would have sent harry's body bqack to the maze after he was killed so therfore nobody would know that Voldie had returned or that Moody was a death eater. hid death would be blamed on the spider etc!
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Postby highsorcerer » Saturday 10 April 2004 9:51:14pm

There are a couple of reasons, though there are always other solutions.

Harry had to get an object he could be assured of touching first, and in a place he'd be likely to be alone in. A confusing activity such as the maze provided a good cover for the portkey. Any other use of a portkey would be noticed and investigated.

Actually, I always wondered by nobody used the really simple solution for the first task in GoF -- Accio Golden Egg. They must have had enchantments on them preventing that simple and obvious way to get the egg.
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Postby Alice I » Saturday 10 April 2004 10:41:58pm

highsorcerer wrote:Actually, I always wondered by nobody used the really simple solution for the first task in GoF -- Accio Golden Egg. They must have had enchantments on them preventing that simple and obvious way to get the egg.


OMG I never even thought of that! Kudos highsorcerer!

Nobby wrote:yeah but harry's death could be blamed on the tournmant. im betting they would have sent harry's body bqack to the maze after he was killed so therfore nobody would know that Voldie had returned or that Moody was a death eater. hid death would be blamed on the spider etc!


Very true and I am betting you are right that your senario is what Voldie was after. Kudos to you too Nobs :grin:
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Postby Groo » Monday 12 April 2004 6:54:44pm

highsorcerer wrote:Actually, I always wondered by nobody used the really simple solution for the first task in GoF -- Accio Golden Egg. They must have had enchantments on them preventing that simple and obvious way to get the egg.


that is awesome!!! stunning in its simplicity!!

i think Nobby's solution is most plausible. Voldemort sure is one smart guy :)
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Postby Nobby » Monday 12 April 2004 7:03:59pm

well voldie is extremely clever! i think that Dumbledore says in one of the books that Tom Riddle was probably the best student Hogwarts EVER had! And think of the great witches and wizards that have come out of that school! :grin:
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Postby Ferrus » Monday 12 April 2004 8:15:56pm

Actually, I always wondered by nobody used the really simple solution for the first task in GoF -- Accio Golden Egg. They must have had enchantments on them preventing that simple and obvious way to get the egg


Well, I suppose that the dragons would have caught the egg before it got too far... Mummy Dragon wouldn´t like to see one of her eggs floating away.
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Postby Athena Appleton » Thursday 15 April 2004 8:37:38pm

I think the original intention wasn't that Crouch Moody would be caught. He was supposed to have been rewarded, and how could he be rewarded if he were caught? His greatest mistake was taking Harry with him, which ultimately happened because Dumbledore had to go deal with the Diggory's, but Crouch Moody hadn't anticipated Cedric going to the graveyard, too.

The deal with the triwizard cup was the most anonymous way for him to make sure Harry got it.

And the fact that it expanded the book quite a bit probably had something to do with it. :grin:

hmm.. I got to thinkin.

What was supposed to happen the night of the third task was that Harry alone would use the cup portkey and be transported to the graveyard, where Voldy would rise again and Harry would be killed. However, a few things happened to mess up that plan, and I'm confused about something else.

Did Crouch Moody know that Snape had the Dark Mark on his arm? If things went according to plan, Harry would disappear, and a few minutes later, Snape would receive the Dark Mark. When it became clear that Harry might not come back, all Snape would have had to do was go ahead and transport himself to Voldy's side and see dead Harry with his own eyes.
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Postby highsorcerer » Thursday 15 April 2004 9:01:00pm

Difficult for Snape, Crouch Jr., or Karkaroff to transport immediately - you can't apperate or disapperate from Hogwarts.
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Postby Athena Appleton » Friday 16 April 2004 5:03:57am

yeah... but it wouldn't take more than an extra 45 seconds to use floo powder to get out of Hogwarts, then apperate
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