Harry's Love

[carsten]

It was a high form of love that saved Harry from LV when he was a baby and it is very likely that this will make the difference in the final showdown between them. What I wonder is, whether Luna Lovegood will be the one who sparks this love in Harry. JKR often gives hints in names. This is an obvious one: "love good."

Opinions please.

Carsten

[Groo]

i am sure that Luna will have a big role to play in the future but i dont see her as Harry's love interest. the last scene between them showed us that Harry sympathised and identified himself with her but i think thats about it regarding Harry's feelings for her.

[carsten]

i am sure that Luna will have a big role to play in the future but i dont see her as Harry's love interest. the last scene between them showed us that Harry sympathised and identified himself with her but i think thats about it regarding Harry's feelings for her.

To some extend I agree with you, but the last scene in a book is not the proper point to introduce a love affair. It would be a nice starting point for the next one, if Harry thought more intensely about Luna during holidays. Her last name is a strong hint.

Carsten

[Alice I]

I have to agree with Groo on this one.
I simply do not see Harry and Luna as a couple.
To be honest I didn't really have a lot of interest in Luna's character. I know that most folks on this site will think I am nuts for saying that but she was just a little wierd for me.
Since most people seem to really like Luna's character and think that she will be pivotal in the story I have decided to write her into the FF that I am writing but I still do not see her as dating material for Harry.

[carsten]

I simply do not see Harry and Luna as a couple.

Maybe it is a thing about myself: I like weird women!('8)')

Carsten

[Phinea Rogue]

Maybe Harry likes more exotic girls - like Cho. During OWLs he was quite interested in Parvati's hair (or Padma's? I often can't distinguish between them), but maybe he was just tired and she was sitting before him...

[Dumbledores Master]

Sorry but Voldie said "I now have the same personal protection as harry does" (or somthing along those lines) so love won`t have that much to do with it. I don`t really see Luna being very involved in the next books because she wasn`t that much involved in book 5. She only really said things with nothing to do with the story (don`t point out the transport and other obvious things as I have taken them into account and all she did was say how to get there) although the "Lovegood" thing may be a little involved.

[Phinea Rogue]

I think this 'love-thing' doesn't necessarily mean just love for one girl, but love generally. While Voldemort probably doesn't love anyone or he isn't capable of such feelings, Harry loves his friends, girls, some other people... At the end of OotP, after Sirius's death when Dumbledore and Voldemort fight, Voldie possesses Harry, but lets go of him when Harry starts thinking about Sirius, that if he dies, they'll be together. And then Dumbledore says something like 'your heart saved you'. But I can't imagine how this love would come useful in a battle.

[Groo]

i personally think that it is this love-factor which will be crucial at the climax. i agree with Phinea that it wont actually be useful in a battle like a counter curse or something, but it is the only strength that Harry has over Voldy, spells being quite useless (umm..i am not sure but i think this point has been raised before somewhere)

still i would say it is a very tough ask for Rowling to make Voldy's end plausible for the readers.

[carsten]

Sorry but Voldie said "I now have the same personal protection as harry does" (or somthing along those lines) so love won`t have that much to do with it.

Since LV has a deficit in this regard, as DD has pointed out several times, he may be wrong this time, too.

What kind of love? Warm love for his fellows? Detached love for all life? It will make a difference in the showdown between LV and Harry. My idea was, that strong personal love, like the one Harry's mother had for him, might protect or help him again. That would bring the story back in a great circle to the very beginning.

Carsten

[Groo]

well, if intense love can protect Harry, then why cant intense hate protect Voldemort or say intense loyalty protect Bella? just because it apparently isnt some ancient magic?
i think JKR shouldnt overstress the emotions-thing. otherwise, as i repeat, it wont be plausible for the readers.

[carsten]

well, if intense love can protect Harry, then why cant intense hate protect Voldemort ...?

Because love is different. For Harry and for us. It is not just emotion. You cannot over-estimate the spiritual side of love.

Carsten

[Nightcrawler]

well, if intense love can protect Harry, then why cant intense hate protect Voldemort ...?

Because love is different. For Harry and for us. It is not just emotion. You cannot over-estimate the spiritual side of love.

I'm gonna have to agree with Groo here. Hate is just the flip-side of love. If we accept that love can protect Harry, then logiclly, hate should have the same effect on Lord Voldermort.

"cannot over-estimate the spiritual side of love" .... I'm sorry, but I don't see how that would help in a fight. The exact same could be said about hatred.

And whatever effect Lily's spell had on baby Harry has now rubbed off on Voldermort ever since the graveyard scene. Harry has always had part of Voldermort inside him, thus giving him the advantage, but now Voldermort has part of Harry inside him. Now that I think about it, the Harry/Voldermort relationship is a lot like the Neo/Smith relationship.

IMO, Voldermort will be a victim of his own arrogance. He will underestimate Harry's determination and skill, and that will be his downfall. Much like how Luke convinced Vader to throw Palpatine down the Death Star core

[carsten]

Hate is just the flip-side of love. If we accept that love can protect Harry, then logiclly, hate should have the same effect on Lord Voldermort.

Love goes way beyond emotions. It is not the flip side of anything. So your logic has a flaw in my eyes. LV will think, that power rules the world, but he will be wrong again. There is a higher law: the law of love.

Carsten

[Nightcrawler]

Actually, look up the antonym for "love" in a thesaurus and you will see "hatred" or "hate". My logic is flawed? How so? Please elaborate.

Hate is the flip-side of love by definition. My logic is good so far. You say that love goes beyond emotions... I could say the exact same about hate. Loyalty is a powerful feeling too, but that won't protect Bella. What about fear? Is there hidden powers in fear?

Please define the words "love", "hate" and "emotion".


If you are talking about the magical, "physicall" effects of Lilly's love of Harry; those do zilch to Voldermort. The spell Lilly cast over baby Harry is now inside Voldermort as well. He is immune. And he has all the darkside powers that stem from his hatered.