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Names...

Postby Holly Golightly » Monday 9 June 2003 7:27:30am

The wait is over Neo!
Anyways...

Okies, not an interesting topic name I know... but still... :)

I noticed something straight away when I was reading HP books, and I'm sure that alot of other people did too... the fact that alot of JK's character names have the same initital for the first and last name... ie Severus Snape, Minereva McGonagall...
And I did wonder why JK had done this so often, as everything else that she has done seems to be so original and just brilliant... :-?

But then, the other day, this occurred to me... it seems that most of the names that don’t have the same initial have a meaning...

You're right Minzhi, 'Albus' means white...and in addition to 'Lupin' meaning wolf, Remus and his brother Romulus, the founders of Rome, where raised by a wolf.

A few other that I find quite amazing:
Sirius: Dog Star (brightest star in the 'dog'-constellation)
Malfoy: from french, mal foi=bad faith
Salazar: Former dictator of Portugal, believed in the superiority of pure bloods
Draco: means dragon, was the name of the first legislative in Athen who became famous for his 'draconian' cruelty
Lucius: from Lucifer, the fallen angel...interesting connection,hm?
Minerva: goddess of wisdom
Severus: without friendliness, severe, also cruel
Voldemort: french, vol de (la) mort=flight of death
Ronald Weasley: In a British (?) legend, there is a knight called Running Weasle who had a yellow rat (remember when Ron tried to colour Scabbers yellow?) that later on tried to kill him. I love that one!


I think that that was Mistress Siana's post...
But also people like the theory of the relationship between Lucious Malfoy and Cornelius Fudge...

Anyways, most of the names that have deeper meanings turn out to be those without the double initial...

So now I'm wondering about people like Vincent Crabbe and Lavender Brown, and people like that... will they have a bigger role in further books... do their names mean something??? Like with those two, their friends, Gregory Goyle, Parvatti Patil have the initial thing, which makes me think that maybe the Lavender's and the Vincent's will have bigger parts... :D

Anyways, this may just turn out to be a case of over analysis, but you never really know! ;)

Holly:circling:
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Postby Blaise Zabini » Tuesday 10 June 2003 2:03:55am

Well, the name Gregory Goyle has a striking resemblance to the word gargoyle. It doesn't reveal much other than his being formidable and lurking.

And I've just looked up Parvati and Padma and have this:
Parvati is a Hindu Goddess married to Hindu God Siva the Destroyer. She gave birth to a baby boy named Ganesh, who Siva beheaded, but replaced the old head with an elephant head after Parvati reamed him out. Sister of the Goddess of the Ganges, Padma. "Patel" is a common Indian last-name.

I don't know much about Hindu mythology, so I'm not sure what to make of this.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Tuesday 10 June 2003 9:31:08am

Well, it does kinda put another hole in my theory, but I'm still sticking with it... I just think that the people with bigger parts to play, or more signifigance are going to be those without the double initial thing going for them...

Anoher hole is the Weasley family... I suppose that it can be exlpained by the fact that it would ahve been strange indeed if all their names started with W, but still...

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Postby Neo » Wednesday 11 June 2003 4:55:32am

Neville Longbottom; he also has different letlers.

But, Minerva, Severus are examp,e of the same letter, and have an explanation (well they are teachers, so names like that may be only for them; how is Flitwick called by the way? (I mean that have the double letter and laso a meaning))
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Postby Holly Golightly » Wednesday 11 June 2003 6:48:50am

I know, and I think that Neville's part is going to get alot bigger!!!

Yeah, I know about the teachers... as I said, there are alot of holes in this theory, but I still like it!!! :D

I don't think that we have been told Flitwick's first name yet...
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Postby Neo » Saturday 14 June 2003 5:02:05am

I don't either, just like Professor Sprout.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Saturday 14 June 2003 11:58:48am

I thought that we did get told Prof Sprout's first name... I just cant' seem to find where... :-?

Will continue to look for it tho!
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Postby Blaise Zabini » Sunday 15 June 2003 5:33:19pm

I thought I saw somewhere that Flitwick's first name was Filius. I'm not really sure where, but I definitely saw it somewhere. If that is in fact his name, then it goes along with the double initial idea.

And we haven't been told Sprout's first name yet.
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Postby Blaise Zabini » Sunday 15 June 2003 5:34:40pm

Sorry for the double post, but I just checked the HP Lexicon, which is the greatest source of HP information, and they have the Flitiwck's name is Filius. And if it's there, then I believe it.
Flitwick, Professor Filius
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Postby Neo » Monday 16 June 2003 3:44:03am

I think I remember where it is, in the three broomsitcks when Harry is under the table.
So then the name with the same letter initial theory seems to be right.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Monday 16 June 2003 5:35:34am

That's where I thought that it woudl be too, but I just looked over it, and couldnt' find it mentioned anywhere... :???:

But it does agree with my little theory, so I like it anyways!!! :grin:
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Monday 16 June 2003 11:38:46pm

maybe it's not that they are signigigant, maybe it means that they will be a head of house or a teacher, b/c harry, hermione, ron, dumbledore, voldemort, sirisu and many other important characters don't have it, but interestingly enough "wormtail" peter petigrew does
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Postby Holly Golightly » Tuesday 17 June 2003 2:52:43am

i dont' know if I'm just misunderstanding what you posted 12321, but I was trying to say that the more important characters, or ones with more meaning to their names usually dont' have the double initial thing, like harry, hermione, ron, dumbledore, voldemort, sirius.

Actually, yeah, not so much the importance of the character, but more the meanings behind their names...
The whole Lucious and Cornelius thread that Balise Zabini *I think* started up got me thinking about it!!!

And I was thining that maybe people that dont' have it, like Lavender Brown, Justin FF, and Vincent Crabbe, might come more into play in the books... maybe as prefects or something...???
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Tuesday 17 June 2003 4:39:22pm

oh, ok, i gotcha, i was a little confused, well, maybe b/c wormtail is PP, maybe he'll die in book 5 and won't play any more role
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Postby Hermione Weasley » Wednesday 18 June 2003 9:26:12pm

i think the names are a clue but i think it only works for the children JKR may use it seldom as clues for some of the adults i think it just fits better with the children char.
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