Broomsticks And Owls

by **Snow_Crystal** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 2:36:16pm

Ah yes - of course he can't bring all the horcruxes together as the venom of the basilisk destroyed the diary and of course the ring has now gone as well! I'm still wanting to know how Dumbledore did this as he told Harry he would tell him in good time - wrong! (Unless of course he will tell him as a portrait)

Sorry about the soggy drool Stumpy! Temporary loss in concentration there!!!

by **Stumpy** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 2:42:56pm

There's no problem snowy! I'm sure once we've come through every possibilty, making sure these nothing that JKR can think of that we havent covered in great depth we can discuss big swords and drooling. (tho JKR will still probably come up with something

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I am v interested to see what kind of response the paintings can give as u'd think that harry would talk to his Mum and Dad thorough them?? If the communication is limited could DD have left some clues? maybe even some memories

by **Snow_Crystal** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 2:50:43pm

Yeah I was thinking about that..I know this is digressing but...

Can final portraits remember their own history, how much do they remember - ah! could Harry find final portraits of his parents at Godric's Hollow!!! And will there be a final portrait of Sirius at Grimauld Place? There's a thought....

Hagrid does mention that Godric's Hollow was almost completely destroyed though (Book 1, Chapter 1) so it will be interesting to see what he does find there. I'm still burning to find out what happened to Sirius's motorbike...

by **Stumpy** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 3:04:27pm

well he can just ask the pictures he has of them all in the photo album that Hagrid gave him! As we find out in OoTP they can travel between pictures of them. A picture of his parents at Godric may give us some insight.

I doubt that they can shine any light on the whereabouts of the trophies as LV would've done these before attacking the potters

by **Snow_Crystal** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 4:33:00pm

Yeah I wasn't sure whether he could talk to them or not. Why hasn't he so far? If he has JKR hasn't mentioned it has she?

I thought it might be something to do with them having painted portraits (like final portraits always being painted) not camera taken photos

I have no idea - I'm just reaching!!!

by **Stumpy** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 4:38:50pm

i thought that but then in Colin's first year in CoS he takes a picture of harry and says that someone is going to show him how to bewitch it! But as you say there could be the difference between paintings and pictures, i thought this info would've been helpful from JKR.

by **blowtorch** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 4:56:37pm

So there's no chance of Harry being the last horcrux? Maan.. what with the scar and stuff... got the idea before reading anything on the net too..

by **Snow_Crystal** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 5:01:19pm

I heard about this theory on the Internet too. It's a good one I reckon and could be the reason that only one can survive blah blah.

At the moment Harry is living because he has a complete soul, and Voldemort is not complete as he's separated his sould etc. So does this mean Harry has got the most important aspect of LV's soul? And the deeper reason LV wants to deal with Harry himself?

by **Lelie** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 7:43:56pm

wouldn't carrying around bits of LV's soul make harry a little evil? and as LV can't possess harry without intense pain (as evidenced in OOTP), doesn't it seem like it would be difficult for his soul to survive in harry? i don't know about theory. also, if harry (god forbid) is the last horcrux, he would have to die before LV could be killed. if that was so, it certainly wont be harry that kills him.

by **Tanuki** » Tuesday 19 July 2005 10:00:15pm

Having the soul inside of Harry wont necessarily make the soul part of Harry. being raised as he has has molded Harry into the person he is. No ammount of soul can change that now. I personally think it's how Voldy's powers got transfered to Harry

by **dibble2** » Wednesday 20 July 2005 4:16:35am

I don't know about Harry the Horcrux. How would it have happened? He'd have had to James's death for the soul-tearing bit, I guess. But he clearly tries to kill Harry, he even says so. Is it an unintentional thing?

by **niki_192** » Wednesday 20 July 2005 5:27:58am

yeh i dont think harry is a horcrux either.... LV only tries to kill harry coz of wat snape overheard bout the prophecy and told his master that harry wold be able to kill him so lv is just trying to slim the chance but its not really working

by **Anna Black** » Wednesday 20 July 2005 5:54:08am

Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry in order to wipe out competition, to rid himself of any powerful uprisers.

Harry as a horcrux doesn't make sense to me because LV can only be killed once all his horcruxes are destroyed. That would be Harry if he were a hcrx. Harry would have to die. I'm certain that's not how it is. I believe the story as it lies:

ring, diary, locket, Nagini, Hufflepuff's cup, something of Rclaw's or Gryff's, Voldemort himself

by **Stumpy** » Wednesday 20 July 2005 9:12:24am

Reckon more likely not Grif item, does anyone remember if there was any other mention of any other items belonging to Hufflepuff in past books?

by **Snow_Crystal** » Wednesday 20 July 2005 7:11:47pm

Anna Black wrote:Voldemort tried to kill baby Harry in order to wipe out competition, to rid himself of any powerful uprisers.

Harry as a horcrux doesn't make sense to me because LV can only be killed once all his horcruxes are destroyed. That would be Harry if he were a hcrx. Harry would have to die. I'm certain that's not how it is. I believe the story as it lies:

ring, diary, locket, Nagini, Hufflepuff's cup, something of Rclaw's or Gryff's, Voldemort himself

Well it would destroy many hearts if Harry's character had to die wouldn't it. We've spent x number of years reading about his fate. I hope he's not the last horcrux as I think I'd be devastated. In fact thinking about it he can't be - in GOF LV used Avada Kedavra (or however you spell it!) on Harry - that would have killed him if Harry hadn't repelled and the wands didn't connect - why would LV himself want to destroy one of his own horcruxes??!!

At the moment I'm also undecided whether Nagini is a horcrux and DD said he wasn't sure. Harry's already killed a snake like creature so this would be a bit repetitive wouldn't it. Also I'm sure Dumbledore said something about using animals as horcruxes might not be as effective blah blah..

Regardless of whether Nagini is a horcrux or not, do we know how long LV has had Nagini and who looked after Nagini while he was without his body? He would need to know his horcruxes were safeguarded somehow and would not move about all over the place. I can't imagine LV inprisoning Nagini if Nagini was a horcrux. So for me Nagini is out as well.

Also, when LV came back in GOF, surely he would have already used a horcrux at this point? Do we think JKR made a slip here? Or is it intended that Harry/Hermione will realise he's already used one in the final book?

Something is certainly not right anyway...

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