you must read this theory

[Athena Appleton]

pawns? after all, just because some characters are involved with this theory doesn't mean that everybody has to be. there's more people in the order than there are total chess pieces, not to mention white ones.

[Aberforth]

I'm not covinced by this theory. Although some thought has gone into it, it seems too much like the theories about Star Wars being about USA against Communism. Besides, I doubt that JKR had it all worked out before writing the books - there are too many little things that contradict each other

1) the "crack" that happens when someone apparates only appears in OotP and is described to be like the noise Dobby made when he did it, but there is no mention of this crack in CoS, or the Dursleys would surely have heard it too.

2) Harry's green eyes don't become known about until GoF (Harry's eyes are blue in the films)

3) Everyone seems to know the story of Sirius Black, but this never gets mentioned before PoA - but isn't it quite a large ommission that Harry's parents were betrayed by their best friend?

[Athena Appleton]

1) the "crack" that happens when someone apparates only appears in OotP and is described to be like the noise Dobby made when he did it, but there is no mention of this crack in CoS, or the Dursleys would surely have heard it too.

It is too mentioned. In Chapter 2, Dobby's Warning, in Chamber of Secrets, when Dobby disappears after the pudding incident it says "The pudding fell to the floor with a heart-stopping crash. Cream splattered the windows and walls as the dish shattered. With a crack like a whip, Dobby vanished.[/i]

2) Harry's green eyes don't become known about until GoF (Harry's eyes are blue in the films)

In Chapter 2 of The Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone: "Harry had a thin face, knobby knees, black hair, and bright green eyes." That's said when he's having to fix bacon on Dudley's birthday.

3) Everyone seems to know the story of Sirius Black, but this never gets mentioned before PoA - but isn't it quite a large ommission that Harry's parents were betrayed by their best friend?[/quote]

No, the circumstances around Sirius Black aren't mentioned, but Sirius himself is mentioned in the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone, and it matches up with something Hagrid says in Prizoner of Azkaban. When Hagrid arrives in book 1 with baby Harry, he is riding a moterbike he said that Sirius told him to take. In book 3, Hagrid is upset with himself in the pub because he says he should have realized something was wrong when Sirius told him to take the moterbike that he loved so much.

Sorry, but all three of your facts have been disproven, and J.K. Rowling has really been consistant in all of her books. The only inconsistancy I can think of offhand is the order that people came out of the wand in Priori Incantatum (sp?) in GoF and that was fixed in later printings.

I'm telling you, I've seen it myself in an interview, J.K. Rowling has been working on this Harry Potter stuff for the last 15-20 years. This is not some little cool idea she thought she'd do, she started it knowing what she was going to do. Don't underestimate her.

[pandora315]

I thought this chess theory was very interesting, but I have my doubts. Before I tell you them though I have to clear up something that has been annoying me on this thread. Ron does not climb onto a horse. Yes, thats how it is portrayed in the movie, but not in the book. (Another conclusion that could be drawn from this is that because Rowling allowed this to be changed for the movie, it must not have an important part in the future plot) In Chess there are 16 pieces on each side, 8 main pieces and 8 pawns. Starting with Death Eaters we have (from GoF) Lucius, the Lestranges, (the death eaters he passes in silence- I believe one is Snape), Mcnair, Crabbe, Goyle, Nott, 3 dead, 1 coward, 1 traitor, and Crouch. Then in OotP 10 supporters break out. We are given names for Dolohov, Rookwood, Bellatrix Lestrange (who we've already counted). At the MoM we also get Rabastan, Avery, Muciber, Jugson, and Rodolphus Lestrange (who we've already counted). Totol that gives us 8 death eaters from GoF (because we can't count the 3 dead this time, or the coward, or the traitor.) and then from Ootp we are given 10 more names. Already thats 17, (18 is you count Voldy) one more than a normal set of pieces, and thats without even knowing the "some [he] passed over wihtout talking to" in GoF. Now, we could say that some of the 10 escaped arn't Even if you accept the excess number, it doesn't play out because if Sirius is the Knight that dies, that means that the Bishop would have to die next, an as we know, Crouch died BEFORE Sirius. It was a good theory and a good thought, but just not realistic.

[Amon Rê]

Wow..um yeah I'm just plain speechless at everyones...I think I agree with those that say this is a fascinating theory, though not plausible...It could happen, yes because JK knew when she was writing, but to hinge so much of her SEVEN novels on one chapter in one book is a rather big risk, what if she decided to change something in the end that would totally affect the outcome? There's no guarantees when the final two are not printed yet, and even then, she stated, that she wanted to go back and re-edit each one

Full transcript:http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/extras/JKRWorldBookDay2004.html

Tanya J Potter: If you could change anything about Harry Potter what would it be?
JK Rowling replies -> There are loads of things I would change. I don't think any writer is ever completely happy with what they've written. One of these days - once seven is finished - I'll revise all seven books.

I mean it doesn't say she's going to "Re-Write" them, but revise makes you think of more than just grammer

[Athena Appleton]

*goes ahead and gives Aberforth his ice cream sandwich now, cuz he's going to need it after this post...*

Starting with Death Eaters we have (from GoF) Lucius, the Lestranges, (the death eaters he passes in silence- I believe one is Snape), Mcnair, Crabbe, Goyle, Nott, 3 dead, 1 coward, 1 traitor, and Crouch.

Aberforth doesn't buy into the really interesting theories, but I'm curious, because I've been pushing a theory on here... What makes you think Snape is not the traitor, and who do you think the traitor is?

[Amon Rê]

Gives Athena an apple(or whatever fruit she wants, since you know she's kinda' like a teacher )

Aberforth doesn't buy into the really interesting theories, but I'm curious, because I've been pushing a theory on here... What makes you think Snape is not the traitor, and who do you think the traitor is?

I vote it is Snape, but who is to say she hasn't revealed ANOTHER traitor??? Where is that other theory at...sounds a bit interesting

[Athena Appleton]

I don't have the link because... well, because it's late and I'm a bit of a moron. I gave Aberforth the ice cream sandwich because of the comment about him not ever buying into the interesting theories, and if I give him an ice cream sandwich, he doesn't yell at me when I make fun of him.

Anyway, the name of the post is "three death eaters at hogwarts" and it's in the theories section somewhere in the middle

[pandora315]

This answer probably doesn't belong here, but I don't know where else to put it. When I first read GoF I thought the traitor had to be Snape. I even accepted that the next few times I read it. But after OotP I've realized it can't be. I don't think Voldy would just let Snape back in the fold if he suspected him of being the traitor. Voldy could keep a close eye on Snape to suss him out or whatever, but I just don't think thats Voldy style. I think Snape probably apparated to the gravyard along with the other death eaters knowing it would help him with Dumbledores task later on. I think he is one of the ones Voldy passes without making a comment. Is certainly possible. You don't have mention of Snape until he helps save Harry, that certainly gives him enough time to apparate near hogwarts and walk back. The coward I think is Karkaroff and the traitor, (just guessing) is Bagman?

[Amon Rê]

I kinda see where you're coming from, but aren't the Death Eaters supposed to appear like immediately, I mean I know Voldemort would have to of had some concessions since Snape couldn't apparate from Hogwarts...he could be the one that has left him forever...

[pandora315]

I see your point, I guess my thought was that Voldemort knows you can't apparate of disaparate from inside Hogwarts grounds and would think that having a spy inside Hogwarts was worth the extra time it would take for SNape to show up.

[Amon Rê]

I'm gonna have to re-read that part, but from either way...Voldemort either skipped over him IF he was there, and if he wasn't, it was one he skipped over when NO ONE was in the spot, I just assumed that he'd listed all the ones that weren't there(i.e. Azkaban or Dead) except for the three he specifically lists...

[Aberforth]

Aberforth doesn't buy into the really interesting theories, but I'm curious, because I've been pushing a theory on here... What makes you think Snape is not the traitor, and who do you think the traitor is?

I am at a loss as to why you can claim I don't believe in interesting theories. I believe some have value and some do not. In this case, I believe the theory is just that - a theory.

As for Snivellus, I am unsure of his position in both sides. I have mentioned this before in another thread, but either LV has to suspect Snape of spying (if not then he is galactically stupid) or Snape is still actually working for LV as a double-double agent, ie he is actually spying on Dumbledore. I prefer the fomer since Snape has been the decoy for long enough.

As an aside, Crouch Jnr claimed to be LVs most loyal servant etc, but denied everything during his trial (Bellatrix didn't deny her involvement). Maybe he is the gone forever DE since he knew that he was going to be discovered at some point and given to the dementors.

[Athena Appleton]

haha, this has gotton way off topic and needs to go to thethree death eaters at hogwarts thread...

Aberforth, it was a joke (as always)...

For the record, I do agree with you, pandora, about Voldemort not allowing Snape to hang around and get information if he knew it was happening, therefore, I think the "faithful one" is Snape (but I don't think he's really faithful... however, if he is, then he's definately one goooooood bad guy! ), the coward is Karkaroff (any objections?) and we dont' know who the traitor is...

[Athena Appleton]

Sorry for the double-post... I think it's also somewhat obvious that even though Snape wasn't at the graveyard party, Voldemort understood that he simply couldn't be there. If Voldemort thinks Snape is a loyal death eater inside Hogwarts, that's really a position he wouldn't want to lose, having one of his guys right in next to Dumbledore, so if Snape suddenly disappeared from Dumbledore's side at the third Triwizard event, it would have become immediately obvious that Snape is still a faithful death eater...

Now the real question is, obviously, is Snape really what Voldemort thinks he is (a double agent for Voldemort), or is he what Dumbledore thinks he is (a double agent for Dumbledore?) I think he's really an unlikeable good guy, meaning he's really with Dumbledore... wonder what happened that has Dumbledore so convinced of his pure motives now?