Snape's secret

[Holly Golightly]

hehehe! Thanks PinkyP!

I think that it's just that I've beeninvolved inthis discussion before!!!! hehehe! I'll try to find it, so that anyone interested can read wheat we came up with before! (I can't really remember all that well, it was a while ago!)

[Jotomicron]

Wait, wait! I just came up with this ideia. Listen:

Snape could be a (fake, of course) not so important DE for Voldemort.
He he's a legilimens, so it wouldn't be much of trouble to understand other DE's feelings.
We know that not all the DE are too close to Voldie. And Snape could be one of the less important and still be able to "read minds" (he he, I know he doesn't like this expression, but I have no subtlety... ) and tell DD what's going on with the Dark Side.

[Jotomicron]

Hope I made it clear...

[Gower]

Wait, wait! I just came up with this ideia. Listen:

Snape could be a (fake, of course) not so important DE for Voldemort.
He he's a legilimens, so it wouldn't be much of trouble to understand other DE's feelings.
We know that not all the DE are too close to Voldie. And Snape could be one of the less important and still be able to "read minds" (he he, I know he doesn't like this expression, but I have no subtlety... ) and tell DD what's going on with the Dark Side.

I agree with you

[Jotomicron]

I agree with you

Of course you do...
Now, seriously: you do? I love when that happen (someone agreeing with me is just so good... )

That's why Voldie didn't even talk to Snape (or about the fact that he was missing)

[Gower]

I agree with you

Of course you do...
Now, seriously: you do? I love when that happen (someone agreeing with me is just so good... )

That's why Voldie didn't even talk to Snape (or about the fact that he was missing)

i do agree with you i posted something similar on another thread somewhere. I also like people agreeing with me for instance if i say the sky is blue everyone will agree

[Jotomicron]

Wow, I never thought of that.

And the sky IS really blue... I agree (although I don't know why!)

[Holly Golightly]

I know that it must be repetitive with me saying this, but I honestly don't think that Snape can read minds without people having known that he's done so. I think that he can only tell the truth or lieof something that they say.

So, unless he goes around asking the other DE's qns that he should prob know the answers to... or if he doesn't know the answers, it would be cause Voldie doesn't want him to, so the woudlnt' answer him anyways... (it this making sense?)

Also, if they are skilled at the Occlemency thing, then they can lie without the person who is able to do Legi... knowing that they are lying!

How's that for confusing!

[Jotomicron]

I guess one should be able to read minds without the other to know: we have some examples where Harry seems to realize Snape and DD are trying to find out his thoughts. He does suspect of that, but that's all that it is: a suspicion.

[Violet]

I agree with you Holly, in think that Snape would have difficulty in reading the minds of the other DE without them knowing.
But u know when Harry is having the 'dreams' about Voldermort and he can see sort of through his eyes... like when Mr Weasley gets attacked. Well maybe Snape could do something like that, sort of try and see into the DE minds when they're asleep.
Not sure if he could find much out about what they're up to through that.. but mayb? i mean he seems pretty skilled at Legi.... so while the person was asleep they may not be able to know that he is getting into their minds?

[Holly Golightly]

Very interesting point about the dreaming, but he would have to do it very carefully. Like Harry having that dream every night, he couldn;t do that, they would catch on to what was happening. And he probably couldnt' do it to the same person too often, once again, they'd possibly figure it out...


But still, very interesting voilet high!!!

[Violet]

Well i mean with the amount of Death Eaters there must be i'm sure that he could try and get info out of a lot of them.
And there are those like Crabbe and Goyle who (if they're anything like their sons) Snape could be performing Legi... on right infront of their faces and they still wouldn't realise what was going on!

[Jotomicron]

Yeah, violet... That Goyle and Crabbe thing amazes me.

I'm still supporting this theory

[Mistress Siana]

Hi@all! I haven't been here for quite a time, so I'm afraid this post is gonna be rather long!

I definately think legilimency offers more possibilities than we know right now...if somebody's practised that subject over years, the difference to what Harry's learned so far might be as big as the difference between creating a Patronus and making a feather fly...

I don't know...I cannot explain it, but for some reason I think that Snape is neither on the bad side nor fully on the good side...I'm sure there will be another surprise as far as he is concerned...

However, there are three reasons why I don't believe that Snape has always been a spy for DD:
1. Snape's personality. When he joined Voldie, he had just graduated in Hogwarts. He didn't have real friends, he'd always be treated badly by those who kinda embody the good side, he had a horrible childhood, so he just seems like the kind of guy to fall into Voldie's hands.Even back then, DD would have had no reason to trust him.
2.Even if he had trusted Snape, do you think he would have done that to him? Ask a young man that has already suffered throughout his whole youth to run such a risk? Betraying Voldemort and the DEs must have spoiled his whole life, he won't even be able to have a wife or children without living in an ever present fear that they could be harmed just to punish him...or used to blackmail him...no, DD wouldt never have allowed that.
3. I just doesn't fit...methinks Snape would become boring without this rather dark background...you know, now he's a redeemed man, maybe fighting his inner demons or whatever, which is more interesting than an entirely good guy...

[highsorcerer]

I agree. Snape seems to have come from an unloving home (as seen by Harry in OotP), and hung out with a Slytherin gang who almost all became death eaters.

Somewhere along the line, he rejected evil, and risked his life to spy on Voldemort for the OotP. Maybe, just maybe, he remembered how James Potter bullied him in school, and realized he was going down that road.

Snape is the most interesting character because you never quite know where he stands. He has obvious hatred for Neville and Harry (both who had parents in the OotP), and a bias to his own house (Malfoy, Crabbe. Goyle, with their death eater fathers), He's playing a very deep game.