Note in the Locket: R.A.B?

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Postby uggy » Wednesday 1 February 2006 6:59:51pm

The note from R.A.B says
'I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret.'

This meant LV kept his horcrux information to himself and shared nothing with his death eaters,.

Also in the HBP, Dumbledore says
'I understand that LV had told him that the diary would cause the chamber of secrets to reopen, because it was cleverly enchanted'

This also proves that LV did not tell his death eaters about his horcruxes.

'Had Lucious known that he had a fragment of his master's soul in his hands he would undoubedtly have treated it with more reverance.


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Postby Mistress Siana » Thursday 2 February 2006 12:11:50am

Well, he could have told a Death Eater to hide the object, not telling what exactly it was, only that it was powerful or something. It becomes perfectly clear, I think, that his Death Eaters do not know about his Horcruxes, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have been told to hide one. But I'm still quite certain that he did that himself, without any help whatsoever.

Now, you say that Voldemort put the enchantment over the, you know, thing, and that because he did that he didn't have to use anyone else, and could simply take it because he was the one that cast it?


Personally, I'd say that this is how it works, yes. Btw, I'd like to know what exactly the potion does to someone who drinks it...
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Postby CaioKK » Thursday 2 February 2006 12:15:38am

The Phoenix Reborn wrote:Or perhaps you mean that he alone would know a counter-enchantment to allow him to take it?

I don't think so...

Lord Voldemort would know that anyone that had got thus far would be a powerful wizard, right? Perhaps Dumbledore even? Would he leave him a chance of a counter-enchantment?


And then how did the magic wall that didn't let Harry's hand inside it, but let the goblet, appear?

Remember when Dumbledore came back to Hogwarts? Harry noticed him muttering something to lower Hogwart's defenses so they could pass. That means Dumbledore knows what's protecting Hogwarts, and he knows how to take it out. That doesn't mean that LV can just come towards Hogwarts, mutter something, and pass its defenses.

He used a way that meant in order to claim the horcrux he must force another person to drink a potion of evil.


Exactly. But that doesn't mean HE has to drink the potion.
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Postby noris » Thursday 2 February 2006 12:24:26am

has ne1 thought that the locket has actually been destroyed?

i know the other 2 horcruxes have signs of damage and they both still exist. (some1 mentioned that they will explode when destroyed) it may be the reason y the locket cant b opened.
if it has been destroyed it would mean that harry is chasing a dead end with this 1 and would help the 7th book get on with finding the other horcruxes. (it is possible)

a note on the potion: no where does it say that LV was an exellent potion maker, only he was a skilled wizard (or words to that effect) potion makin is a fine art and would obviously need some 1 extremly skilled in potions to make one which would have the desired effect.

somethin else that is botherin me. how did RAB know there would be an equal to take him on unless he knew about the prophecy? "when you meet your match, you will be mortal once again."
which throws a spanner in the works coz that would mean it had to b one of the people who knew about it which isnt very many and thair names dont fit.
what do think?
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Postby Phoenix in the Ashes » Thursday 2 February 2006 9:00:16am

noris wrote:a note on the potion: no where does it say that LV was an exellent potion maker, only he was a skilled wizard (or words to that effect) potion makin is a fine art and would obviously need some 1 extremly skilled in potions to make one which would have the desired effect.

somethin else that is botherin me. how did RAB know there would be an equal to take him on unless he knew about the prophecy? "when you meet your match, you will be mortal once again."
which throws a spanner in the works coz that would mean it had to b one of the people who knew about it which isnt very many and thair names dont fit.
what do think?


There could be two ways of looking at the "when you meet your match" line.

a) That yes, RAB knew about the prophecy (which is unlikely because neither LV or Snape heard the full extent of the prophecy.) some way. Perhaps Snape shared knolwledge or something.

b) Or that it's simply a comment. That if somewhere down the line he meets his match he'll be mortal once more.

The problem with that though is that he used "when" not "if".
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Postby pandora315 » Thursday 2 February 2006 2:32:24pm

On the website Rowling hints that more people may have known about the prophesy than first thought- so I think its definatly possible that RAB knew about the prophesy- also possible that they were once a death eater. Again- and I've said this before I think the RAB is pointing towards the Hogshead BAR. Thats where the prophesy was heard and don't quote me but didn't the bar owner have hold of Snape in Trewlawneys version?
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Postby uggy » Thursday 2 February 2006 7:29:04pm

pandora315 wrote:On the website Rowling hints that more people may have known about the prophesy than first thought- so I think its definatly possible that RAB knew about the prophesy- also possible that they were once a death eater. Again- and I've said this before I think the RAB is pointing towards the Hogshead BAR. Thats where the prophesy was heard and don't quote me but didn't the bar owner have hold of Snape in Trewlawneys version?


And i read somehwhere that the bar owner was Aberforth, Albus's Brother
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Postby Chimera » Friday 3 February 2006 2:04:56pm

I think we're reading too much into if and when. Fact is you can only hold power for so long before you are challenged. Sometimes it can be very quick, Lady Jane Grey sat on the throne of England for 9 days before she was beheaded. Sometimes it can last decades, such as Saddam Hussein who was in charge before I was born.

Ultimately something will happen: a war, an invasion, a coup, a revolution, an assassination, UN sanctions, or death by old age or random accident. Nobody rules forever, and the possibilities for their removal from power are endless.

An eventual challenger to Voldemort is inevitable, prophecy or no. The only grey area is whether that challenger would be a good guy or an even worse bad guy. Presumably Regulus was banking on a good guy.
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Postby toxictoast8790 » Thursday 9 February 2006 4:11:43am

I dont know if it has already been said on this forum bu ti belive i know who RAB is. I belive it is Regulas (Sirius' brother) Black stole the locket.

Heres what i am basing this theory on
A) Initaial 1 and 3 are the same
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B)In book 3, while trying to clean the house they find a big locket that cannot be opened.
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Postby toxictoast8790 » Thursday 9 February 2006 4:14:40am

Sorry i guess i should have taken my time and went through all of the pages rather tahn the first one
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Postby Phoenix in the Ashes » Thursday 9 February 2006 8:45:19am

Don't worry about it, it doesn't matter...

pandora315 wrote: Again- and I've said this before I think the RAB is pointing towards the Hogshead BAR


RAB is pointing toward the Hogs Heads BAR?

Erm... sounds a bit far-fetched to me.

Well, okay, in all fairness it sounds absolutely ridiculous to me but if you would care to elaborate a little more then I may change my mind...
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Postby Chimera » Thursday 9 February 2006 11:19:20am

toxictoast8790 wrote:I dont know if it has already been said on this forum bu ti belive i know who RAB is. I belive it is Regulas (Sirius' brother) Black stole the locket.

Heres what i am basing this theory on
A) Initaial 1 and 3 are the same
and
B)In book 3, while trying to clean the house they find a big locket that cannot be opened.


Yeah, that's pretty much what everyone elses theories are derived from. Only it was book 5 they found the locket and... here's a thought... what if the locket had a serpent?

I mean all the other silverware had serpent designs, the locket would have looked ordinary. Presuming it had a serpent, in a house where everything else silver had a serpent: would it have been significant enough in harry's mind that JKR would have made a note of the detail? Possibly not.
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Postby Phoenix in the Ashes » Saturday 18 February 2006 10:10:40am

There was an awful lot of Black ware in that house. If it is Regulus...

Do you think perhaps he could have discovered about the horcruxes upon finding, you know, one of them, in his house?
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Postby Chimera » Saturday 18 February 2006 2:03:12pm

Nah, it's definitely Slytherins locket. Odds are it was Regulus who put the locket in the house, prior to which it would have lived in the basin.
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Postby Phoenix in the Ashes » Thursday 23 February 2006 7:57:07am

Odds are, yes...

I want a twist.

I really want a twist.
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