Broomsticks And Owls

by **Neo** » Tuesday 20 May 2003 9:27:41pm

That's right Holly; but if Snape were still working for Voldemort I'm not sure he would have saved Harry.

I believe that if you do not pay the debt you become a ghost.

by **Holly Golightly** » Wednesday 21 May 2003 6:35:50am

tThat makes sense Neo...

Like the debt is a powerful enough reason to stay lingering after death! I like it!

by **Neo** » Wednesday 21 May 2003 7:06:56pm

Yeah, because Jo said that part of ecoming a ghost was not being happr (like Myrtle), but things like having a debt can be too a way to become a ghost.

by **Holly Golightly** » Thursday 22 May 2003 6:07:17am

But I think that wether or not Snape was working for Voldie, he would have felt obligated to save Harry... just like wormtail will...

by **Neo** » Saturday 24 May 2003 4:27:58am

Voldemort has a debt with Peter; and I don't think Voldemort will risk his life to save Peter if there is a situation like it.

by **Holly Golightly** » Saturday 24 May 2003 5:49:49am

What is Voldie's debt to Peter from? :???:

by **Mistress Siana** » Sunday 25 May 2003 3:50:31pm

hehe, maybe you HAVE to repay a dept! It could be that the bond someone created by saving your life makes it impossible for you to act other than trying to save him, whether you want it or not. After all, it's said that you cannot kill anybody who saved your life. And isn't refusing to save one's life equivalent to killing?

by **Scellanis** » Sunday 25 May 2003 6:04:32pm

Holly Golightly wrote:What is Voldie's debt to Peter from?

i would say that voldemort would not be alive and full strength without all the aid peter gave him not to mention the actual spell casting and hand.....

by **Holly Golightly** » Sunday 25 May 2003 6:29:38pm

I don't know... I think that these debts also have something to do with perception,and gratitude...

ie, though Snape hated it, he acknowledges that James saved his life, and Wormtail certainly knew that was it not for Harry's pity, then he woudl be dead too, and if grateful for that... whereas Voldie feels none of that... Peters hand was just a means to an end, he's not really grateful for it, but woudl rather feel that he deserved it...

Okay, that really doesn't describe what I'm thinking very well... but I can't think of a better way to put it just yet???

by **Neo** » Monday 26 May 2003 3:13:26am

If you were forced to pay the debt then Peter would have helped Harry when he duel with Voldemort, no?

by **Holly Golightly** » Monday 26 May 2003 6:44:46am

I dont' really think that they are forced as such to pay the debt.. more like an obligation brought about by compassion/gratitude?

by **Neo** » Sunday 1 June 2003 5:16:02am

But it seems that DD talked about some magical conection, rather taht only Peter being grateful to Harry, no?

by **Holly Golightly** » Monday 2 June 2003 2:29:48pm

Yeah, but I think that the magical connection is brought about by the feeling... ie, harry's protection is brought about by his mothers feelings of love and her sacrifice for him... so I think that the gratitude/compassion brings about this feeling of oweing a debt to the other person!

Make sense?

by **Neo** » Tuesday 3 June 2003 4:18:31am

Yeah, itmakes; but I'm not sure.

Still I think that it is very weird that if Peter is going to pay the debt to Harry, he didn0t help him in the end of GoF.

by **Holly Golightly** » Monday 9 June 2003 5:55:19am

I think that he wont' necessarily be hepling Harry by doing things like turning imself in, or stuff like fighting on his side, but more like a time will come where he has to choose between doing what Voldie orders, which will result in Harry's death, and choosing to go against Voldie, and thus save Harry...>?

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