Lily and James Potter

[Athena Appleton]

According to what JKR said in her last interview Voldemort would actually let Lilly go if she gave up Harry, he would let her live. I'm pretty sure the reason why he wanted her to live is that "huge thing" about Lilly that is about to be revealed.

Athena - thats an interesting theory, about turning Lilly into a horcrux o.o hmm, but then i wonder why her... He never gave any options to James...

I may be wrong, but I think Lily would have been the more formidable enemy than James. He was definately a powerful wizard, and talented, and certainly brave and loyal, but I kind of get the feeling, especially given the range of people who held Lily in high regard (Slughorn never mentions James's talent) and the fact that she was prefect and he wasn't, she would have been a tougher enemy. Maybe that's why Voldemort would want to make her a Horcrux, and possibly use a strong Imperius curse on her... I don't know. I'm definately able to say there's a good chance I'm TOTALLY off on this... but it's become my pet theory, and I'm trying to see if I can find any real holes in it.

The color of Lilly's eye already played a big role - that was the only reason why Harry was able to get on a good side of Slughorn.

Well, not the only reason. I think it helped, but Slughorn is about fame and names and "it's who you know" kind of thing... and having Harry Potter, the Chosen One, the Boy Who Lived, in his little club, would be the icing on his cake.

Quite frankly, given the timelines and such, Voldy could be Lilly's father.
Wouldn't that be a kicker.

Not gonna happen. Rowling's said in interviews that Harry definately has no other family than the Dursleys, Voldemort is not Harry's grandfather, and James and Lily's parents are dead (nothing tragic, just normal old-age deaths).

[Snow_Crystal]

This is interesting...


Fidelius Charm (fih-DAY-lee-us)

"fidelis" L. trusty, faithful

"An immensely complex spell involving the magical concealment of a secret inside a single, living soul. The information is hidden inside the chosen person, or Secret-Keeper, and is henceforth impossible to find -- unless, of course, the Secret-Keeper chooses to divulge it" (PA10).

Used to try to protect Lily and James Potter from Voldemort. "As long as the Secret-Keeper refused to speak, You-Know-Who could search the village where Lily and James were staying for years and never find them, not even if he had his nose pressed against their sitting room window!" (PA10) Unfortunately, Peter Pettigrew was chosen as Secret-Keeper, and he betrayed James and Lily.

Dumbledore used the Fidelius Charm to hide Number 12 Grimmauld Place, the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix. He himself was the Secret Keeper for the Order (OP6).

Snape could refer (at least indirectly) to the fact that a Fidelius Charm applied to the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix, but since he was not the Secret Keeper he could not mention the name of the place (HBP2).

[crystallised_pineapple]

now that DD is dead though does that mean that no-one will ever be able to find the headquarters or that anyone will, i mean DD would probably have performed the charm himself and now that he's dead will it just stop?

[SunsetG|rl]

they will probably just have to find a new headquarters. maybe now that he is dead the charms he made are also gone so somebody else will have to do them all over again. or maybe now that dd is gone, snape can speak the name of the place so they will have to go find another place, as the de might be comming...cause even if snape is good he can't keep the secret without blowing his cover... or maybe this charms are just made to last more than a death...even if he is dead, it might be enough just to find a new secret keeper...lost in presumptions...i have to think some more

[Snow_Crystal]

I'd like to know what happens if you break a fidelius charm.. Snape was worried about it so there must be consequences. Wormtail broke the charm but if he chose to divulge it then he could.. begs the question why would you want to use it and not something like an unbreakable vow?

[Dacre]

oh both together?
if a secret keep and make an unbreakable vow not to reveal it to some-one unless asked by the people who want it kept, then you wouldn't b able to betray it would you?

[SunsetG|rl]

which actually makes me wonder...can you break the unbreakeble vow? something like...i swear not to kill LV if i have the chance...but i get the chance...and i know i'll die if i kill him...do i get to kill him and then i die? or i die the moment i even think to break the vow...or try to break it. and me trying to kill him will only get me dead and not him killed? so how does this work? anyone have any ideea?
(i was hypoteticaly speaking...i didn't mean to suggest anything by what i said...it was just an example... )

[crystallised_pineapple]

i don't know but i think it probably would be that if you get a chance to do what you swore you would and then you didn't it would be broken and you'd die...

[Lone_Buck]

I doubt this, but with the whole thing about lily being potentially used as a horcrux, what if his plan was to use kill james and harry, turn lily into a horcrux, do the same thing he did with Morfin and that house elf, make lily confess to killing them, though i doubt many at that time would believe it, the elf and morfin were before everyone was scared of Voldemort. But if lily did confess, and everyone bought it, Voldemort would have a horcrux that would be safe in Azkaban.

[Mrs. Luca Black]

I just can't seem him using a mortal as a horcrux. That's just silly.


Now, if he used one of her fillings...

[Person1]

Well, he made Nagini one, and Nagini is a snake, doubt its immortal.

[Lone_Buck]

Sunset, I think it's only if you actually break it, cuz i'm sure snape would have been trying to come up with a way to break it, therefore thinking about breaking it. Unless of course, snape is really the bad guy.

[Mrs. Luca Black]

Well, he made Nagini one, and Nagini is a snake, doubt its immortal.

Tut, tut, tut. We only think he made Nagini one. Well, Dumbledore speculated about it. I don't think Nagini is one.

Oooh! Oooh! He made one of Nagini's old snake skins from when she was a baby a horcrux, and that was the coiled snake skin in the cupbard at Grimmauld Place! 2 year old dumpster diving for Harry!

I don't think I'm capable of making a wholely serious post today.

[Tanuki]

Considering what Nagini is capable of, and what we know, I do believe Nagini is very likely to be a horcrux, as is Harry (though never intentionally... and yes Voldermort's soul is likely to be able to touch Harry's and not be destroyed. After all, what does the soul have to do with the mind?)

[Athena Appleton]

now that DD is dead though does that mean that no-one will ever be able to find the headquarters or that anyone will, i mean DD would probably have performed the charm himself and now that he's dead will it just stop?

I would imagine that that charm could be broken by someone else, but I don't know who or how... I would imagine that the Order will have to stay away from Grimmauld Place until they know for sure, though... it seems more logical that just no one else could know the location of it who doesn't already. The problem being, of course (for those of us who choose to believe Snape is as bad as he seems), Snape knows where they are and would have the power to do harm himself, even if he can't tell Voldemort where they are.

I think the Order will vacate, at least for a while.