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Postby Groo » Saturday 28 August 2004 7:13:59pm

i personally would find Lucius becoming the MoM too unrealistic after he has been exposed to be a deatheater.
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Postby Alice I » Saturday 28 August 2004 11:10:12pm

The olny way I can see Lucius becoming MoM is if he were to capture Fudge and do a Moody/Crouch.
I know that it has been done but it would be pretty cool to see what mischief he could get up to. He certianly knows Fudge well enough to fake his behavior and then Voldie would have a very well placed spy with the exact kind of power needed to take what ever he wants from the Department of Mysteries.

Here is an idea - Lets say the above scernerio comes into play, would Percy as Fudge's personal assistant recognise that Fudge is no longer Fudge? Would he continue to unwittingly aide the dark side or would he realize that he is being dupped again and try to resolve the matter?

If he chose the latter corse of action would he die in the attempt to unmask the fake MoM and have is family honor revieved? Would he be sucessful and live and rejoin his family? Lucius is a very powerful wizard and Percy while smart and probably quite powerful himself is young, inexperienced and well... Percy.
Hmmm.
Just some ideas.
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Postby D.A. Member » Sunday 29 August 2004 1:51:18am

I was just looking on JKRowling.com and I noticed that in the Rumors section has an ad for "The Quibbler" at the bottom of the paper. It says, "Fudge Forced To Flee!! Minister of Magic Chased from Office!"
I guess she's giving clues or something. I can't stand it! :mad: I really want book 6!! :x :-? :cry: Sorry guys....I've got a grip now :oops:
By the way those were excellent ideas, but isn't Lucius in jail?
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Postby Alice I » Sunday 29 August 2004 4:31:00am

Yep D. A. Member he is in jail but I am guessing that he won't be for long.
Malfoy even says in the end of OOTP that with the dementors gone back to Voldemort that it won't be long that the prison can hold his dad.
I would be willing to wager that with in the first five chapters that our old friend Lucius will escape from Azkaban.
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Postby carsten » Sunday 29 August 2004 2:11:09pm

Groo wrote:i personally would find Lucius becoming the MoM too unrealistic after he has been exposed to be a deatheater.
I am favoring the theory that the bad guys could take over the MoM for some time now. This would certainly add some heat to the war. In a civil war, each and everyone must chose a side. There is no escape and no denying.

Actually we have seen leaders sent off to prison or exile returning. Think of Napoleon: he returned from his first exile. (no matter what else you think about his position in history / I don't compare him to Malfoy in any other aspect!) Why not Malfoy? He has influence, people fear him, the guards are on the leave... It shouldn't, but could easily be!

I don't know what such a case would mean for school life. I expect the death eater kids not to return to school, at least Draco Malfoy. What a relief for Harry. But they would certainly meet at a different place. Their emotional ties are too strong: they have to meet again.
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Postby Jotomicron » Sunday 29 August 2004 6:47:59pm

Alice I wrote:
Jotomicron wrote:[*]This is something I read a long long time ago (after 4th book came out): There was a pope named Cornelius (251-252) and then, after Cornelius died in exile, Lucius came to be pope (252, during eight months). If jkr knows about this, then I'd firmly say Lucius will be the next MoM. Try doing a search in google.


How would JKR manage that with Lucius in Prison?

My God! How could I have forgetten this *TINY WINY* detail?
Now, of course no one wants Luicus as MoM. But anyways, I think Voldemort will get them out of Azkaban, when trying to get the Dementors for his side.
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Postby Phaerie » Saturday 4 September 2004 5:22:46pm

Haven't the dementors already left azkaban (i think malfoy mentions it at end of OoP)
In which case who is guarding azkaban- my bet is on aurors.
Hence as far as we know Voldemort doesn't really have all that many followers back yet (although there could be lots of people under the imperious curse), maybe not enough to mount a full assault on azkaban.
My guess is that there's probably going to be a big battle in azkaban.
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Postby carsten » Monday 6 September 2004 9:50:32am

Phaerie wrote:...My guess is that there's probably going to be a big battle in azkaban.
And isn't it time to give us more detail about the prison?

JKR mentioned the MoM, Azkaban and St.Mungo long before she used it in the books. Maybe it is time now to tell us a story happening at Azkaban. I am rather curious. Sirius only told a little bit about it, but it must be a spectacular place.
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Postby darkcloak » Tuesday 7 September 2004 1:43:20pm

Speaking of possible settings for book 6, would a trip to Egypt be out of the question. The Weasleys seem to like it there and there seems to be lots of dragons which could figure somehow into the plan

Anyway, I was thinking about the "something" that JKR hints that Harry discovers in CoS that leads into a main thread in HBP.

Lots of people have speculated about the sword or the diary, but Harry also discovers elfs in CoS and the fact that they have extremely poweful magic (even circum-navigating the security at Hogwarts i.e. apparating). Could it be a continuation of this that JKR left out of that book (adding more about them in GoF)? Could their allegiance play a vital role in the next book? Could they even have a royal family?

I also wonder if it was symbolic that it was the elf statue in the MoM hall that protected Harry and kept him from danger?
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Postby Nobby » Friday 10 September 2004 12:04:42pm

yeah wouldn't it be cool if dobby turnt out to be the hbp :grin:
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Postby Jotomicron » Friday 10 September 2004 12:52:20pm

Nobby!! You're back... *hands butterbeer and choc cookies*

Elves will definitely hold an important role in the upcoming years.

darkcloak wrote:I also wonder if it was symbolic that it was the elf statue in the MoM hall that protected Harry and kept him from danger?
What I learnt from this books is if JKR does something, then odds are that it means something in the future. And something like this seems really symbolic. My guess is that elves will be very important to protect the good side
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Postby Mistress Siana » Friday 10 September 2004 1:09:43pm

Good one about the elves!

House elves have to obey the owners of the house they live in, right? But who is the owner of Hogwarts? The ministry? Fudge? The current headmaster? Or Voldemort, as he's the heir of Slytherin? That could be of importance, above all when it come to a battle for Hogwarts.
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Postby carsten » Friday 10 September 2004 1:34:53pm

Mistress Siana wrote:...House elves have to obey the owners of the house they live in, right? But who is the owner of Hogwarts? The ministry? Fudge? The current headmaster? Or Voldemort, as he's the heir of Slytherin? That could be of importance, above all when it come to a battle for Hogwarts.
Excellent point! :)

Currently elves are treated like slaves and behave that way, too. This way to serve is not exactly the noblest one. Actually a person who voluntarily choses his master and gets a fair return is a much better employee. The elves still have this step to make. They are not ready, yet. :( One of the good things that could come out of the battle for Hogwarts is a decision to take a side and make a stand against the evil forces.

Dobby is already a leader in this revolution, because he has made his choice. He helped Harry, because he hoped to avoid another reign of LV. He betrayed his family (which has hurt him considerably) and managed to escape them. So the time is ripe for revolution! But I don't know if we will see this in book 6 already. JKR is playing around with this (Hermione's enthusiasm for elf rights!) for some time now. We'll have to wait and see.
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Postby Phaerie » Friday 10 September 2004 6:48:57pm

The house elves at hogwarts take orders drom the current headmaster/mistress. As we find out in GoF when they go down to the kitchens.

In terms of protecting. Dobby spent all of CoS trying to protect harry. So if this features again its a bit of a repetition.

Also i thought that the story line that was related to Cos thats very important for HBP, isn't actually in CoS, it was going to be but JKR took it out because it doesn't fir there. So we're not actually looking at something in the story, but something that could fit in.
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Postby carsten » Sunday 12 September 2004 12:14:18pm

Phaerie wrote:...In terms of protecting. Dobby spent all of CoS trying to protect harry. So if this features again its a bit of a repetition. ...
Yes, but now we are heading for war, and the scr*w could be turned tighter in many ways: more elves have to chose, bigger decisions, more danger etc. Maybe the protection in CoS war just a beginning? :eek:
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