Slytherins: Victims of the School?

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Postby Athena Appleton » Sunday 18 July 2004 9:15:48pm

Hmmm... interesting points, carsten. :-)

I think you're about half-right. Yeah, there definately seems to be a negative attitude when other students (and even some of the teachers) think about the students of Slytherin...

However, you must keep in mind that Draco Malfoy was pale and rude before he ever boarded the Hogwarts Express, much less spent months living in a dungeon.

I always assumed that the originators of the Houses chose where those groups would live... therefore, Gryffindor chose the tower, and Slytherin himself chose the dungeon. I don't think this is actually confirmed in any of the books, except to say that the four founders were the ones in charge at the beginning (as in, I don't think there was an actual Headmaster at the time) and when they conceived the idea to have four houses, they would have had to come up with where the students would live.

One must also remember that a Gryffindor hasn't always been Headmaster. I would imagine that in Phinneus's (I don't think I spelled that right... Sirius's grandfather or great-grandfather or whatever) time, the Slytherins were the Headmaster's pets, and the Gryffindors (or Ravenclaws, or Hufflepuffs) were looked down on.

On the subject of the stereotypical Slytherin, though, I have to wonder... Will there ever be a Slytherin in the books who is good, who fights against evil, and who tries to actually befriend members of the other houses? In a book series that seems to be so steeped in the idea of choices, it seems as though there would be someone who definately stands out as someone who would be in a bad situation but make good choices... *shrug* Maybe not... but I'd like to see it.
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Postby Reverie Revenge » Wednesday 21 July 2004 9:02:59pm

Carsten, fun topic! I just started feeling sorry for myself :cry: , when I remembered another discovery of muggle scientists :o : sunlight isn't the main reason for suecide: the highest suecide rates in EU (maybe even in the world?!) are in Slovenia (my home country, for your info :rolleyes: ) and Hungary. We aren't exactly deprived of sun - to live a full live one has to find energy source in themselves, not in the sunlight.
Offtopic paradox: Slovenia is on other hand the safest destination - the smallest number of tourists killed, of murders: it means we're a bit safer than Sweden, Switzerland and Austria.

I think Salazar Slytherin chose the dungeons because that ambient would help develop the qualities he praised most :grin:
I also love Nordic countries, I'm not attracted by the South and I think pale skin is beautiful so there's no problem for me :evil grin:
And paradox again: my room is perfectly sunlit! :lol:

Headmaster's pets:
Athena Appleton wrote:One must also remember that a Gryffindor hasn't always been Headmaster. I would imagine that in Phinneus's (I don't think I spelled that right... Sirius's grandfather or great-grandfather or whatever) time, the Slytherins were the Headmaster's pets, and the Gryffindors (or Ravenclaws, or Hufflepuffs) were looked down on.


I agree with Phinea, DD's gesture at the end of 1st year was really mean! I wouldn't expect such a gesture from a chivalric Griffindor! *having nostalgia for Phineas' times* --> anyone else - check out: http://www.broomsticksandowls.com/forum ... php?t=3675
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Postby AngelicS_89 » Monday 26 July 2004 4:41:36pm

Ok,so I don't know for you guys,but I really think that Slytherins are not so bad.But actually i don't think that problem has anything to do with dungeons,stuedents or headmaster.I think the problem is in JKR(don't get me wrong,I'm not saying anything bad aginst her,I'm just saying the truth).The problem is you see,that she made them to look bad,and that's the only thing in the books on which I realise that is a book,not real life.It reminds me on fairytales,the fight against bad(Slytherin) and good (Gryffindor).Now,I think that's too much.That's like saying-all Americans are dumb or all Franchmen stink because they don't bath,all Australians haunt crocodiles,or live in desert or I don't know what.I belive there are some ppl from Slytherin like Malfoy that are bad,but it's there couldn't be all ppl form Gryffindor that are good.I think that it isn't bad to be ambicious and that's the thing which is most important for Slytherin house.It's not fair from JKR for saying how everybody from Slytherin are mudblood-haters,or they're all black wizards.
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Postby Morningstar » Friday 27 August 2004 1:45:10am

I agree, AngelicS. Slytherins are only "bad" because that's how JKR made them. Remember in the Prisoner Of Azkaban when it was the final Quiditch game Gryf vs. Slyth? The whole school was on the Gryfindors' side! So what I think is that the "evil" Slytherins make the not-so-"evil" Slytherins look bad, so the entire school dislikes all of them (but there could've been a friendship between Slytherin and non-Slytherin we haven't heard of yet), thus making the good Slyths kinda mean and bitter about their position. And the circle goes on like that. Just a guess, though.
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Postby Broccoli » Friday 27 August 2004 9:39:26am

oh, I'm so glad I don't live in the basement! Lack of light does make me feel bad! And in winter, it is darkness, not cold that worsens my mood. Anyway, I think that the Slytherin children have nothing against their common room.
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Postby carsten » Friday 27 August 2004 10:17:53am

This whole topic is weird. It started as a joke that did not work and now goes into two directions: the effects of light on the mood and the question whether all Slytherins are all bad.
Morningstar wrote:I agree, AngelicS. Slytherins are only "bad" because that's how JKR made them. ...
I remember a Slytherin guy who was mentioned not to be in the Malfoy gang. Of course they stick to their house, but they can be fair to others, too. My guess is, that we will encounter some pleasant surprises concerning the attitudes of some Slythering students during the upcoming war. They are not all bad.
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