Fawkes: Phoenix, familiar... or maybe something more

[Alice I]

(I don't think it's ever been said, but I believe Dumbledore was once in Gryffindor)

I do not remember were I read it but JKR stated that DD was in Gryffindor. If I find the quote again I'll post it here.

[carsten]

I don't think animagi can turn into magical creatures, only typical animals (but, like I said, if anyone knows of an example we've seen of an animagi turning into a magical creature, and I've missed it, let me know).

In the first book, DD and McG are turning into cat and owl, do they? The question now: Is an owl a magical creature? I think so, because their delivery service is beyond the typical owl behaviour.

Carsten

[Aberforth]

Who turns into an owl? I don't remember reading that.

Besides, people used to send messges by homing pigeon and they aren't magical. Owls just behave around wizards like a dog would his master.

[carsten]

Who turns into an owl? I don't remember reading that.

Besides, people used to send messges by homing pigeon and they aren't magical. Owls just behave around wizards like a dog would his master.

I must admit that I have problems to remember, because it has been a while since I have read the first book. In the very beginning, McG and DD arrive at Privet Drive, to drop Harry off with Hagrid's help. Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't DD show up as an owl?

There IS a difference betweeen homing pigeons and magical owls! Owls can find people at whatever destination, even hidden persons. But I share your doubts, whether this will make them full-fledged magical creatures. On the other hand: Hagrid had even less impressive animals in his lessons. So I am undecided in this regard.

Carsten

[Alice I]

DD doesn't show up an owl. He actually is not an animagi.

[Jotomicron]

I think that Ferrus might be very right: Fawkes may have once been Gryffindor's pet. And that would be the reason for the Gryffindor colours.

Anyway, a question: Has Fawkes lived in Hogwarts all this years? As the Headmaster pet? And why would a not Gryffindor Headmaster (let's say Phineas) keep this pet?

If Fawkes hasn't been in Hogwarts, I wouldn't be surprised if he has been kept by Gryffindor's family. Then again: is Dumbledore a descendent of Gryffindor?

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

If Fawkes hasn't been in Hogwarts, I wouldn't be surprised if he has been kept by Gryffindor's family. Then again: is Dumbledore a descendent of Gryffindor?

I think that is true. Fawkes probably belonged to Gryffindor himself and was passed down through the generations.

DD doesn't show up an owl. He actually is not an animagi.

Haha, I actually had my own little theory that DD is Hedwig. Yeah yeah, I know Hedwigs a girl and DD's a guy, but there has been a lot of discussion about Crookshanks and Lily, so it could happen. Anyways here's some supporting evidence: Do we ever see DD and Hedwig together? DD has a closer eye on Harry than even Harry knows. I won't put the evidence against it because it is too obvious and too condeming to my theory.

[jonny5]

Im not sure if this means anything, but faux, pronounced the same as fawkes, means something fake or different than it appears... i dont think thats an accident.

[Dumbledores Master]

Firstly welcome to BaO jonny have a gr8 time posting

I like the faux-Fawkes thing it is quite convincing
We didn`t see Fawkes in Dippets office did we? I don`t think so. Where would DD have gotten Fawkes then? Maybe fawkes is a family pet. I don`t remember any owls near DD and MG that night. I stand resolutely by the fact that animagus can also be magical creatures.

[Athena Appleton]

I must admit that I have problems to remember, because it has been a while since I have read the first book. In the very beginning, McG and DD arrive at Privet Drive, to drop Harry off with Hagrid's help. Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't DD show up as an owl?

In the first book, an owl shows up, but that's most likely the first hint that Mrs. Figg isn't who she appears to be, as someone in the neighborhood is probably receiving an owl post. Curious point, though, because presumeably, someone could turn into an owl. I think there are magical owls and non-magical owls. Remember when Ron takes "Scabbers" to the magical pet store, she asks if he's ever shown any evidence that he's magical? Apparently there are magical and non-magical rats, so maybe magical owls do the owl post thing (which obviously has some magic behind it) but there are non magical owls that are just your regular not-exactly-people-friendly, sleep-all-day owls.

there has been a lot of discussion about Crookshanks and Lily, so it could happen.

do huh??? How could Lily be Crookshanks? And how boring is it that there's ANOTHER unregistered animagus??? I mean, the only thing interesting that could come of that is that the ministry finds out and realizes, "hey, we could do with some major restructuring" but that's only vaguely interesting... besides, i think it's been a little overdone already... I, personally, would lose some respect for Rowling if she had yet another unregistered animagus.

Where'd you see that?

[Emma'I'm a real witch']

Im not sure if this means anything, but faux, pronounced the same as fawkes, means something fake or different than it appears... i dont think thats an accident.

Faux is pronounced 'foe' as in silent x and is the French word for false
Fawkes is pronounced 'forks' if I'm not mistaken. I don't see how these two sound familiar?

Welcome by the way.

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

do huh??? How could Lily be Crookshanks? And how boring is it that there's ANOTHER unregistered animagus??? I mean, the only thing interesting that could come of that is that the ministry finds out and realizes, "hey, we could do with some major restructuring" but that's only vaguely interesting... besides, i think it's been a little overdone already... I, personally, would lose some respect for Rowling if she had yet another unregistered animagus.

Where'd you see that?

There was some thread awhile back about Lily being Crookshanks (I didn't really buy it but...) That's why I said I wasn't going to put the condeming evidence about DD/Hedwig because it would bury my poor theory

[Athena Appleton]

ooohhhhhhhh...

[Nightcrawler]

I agree with whoever said it before, we've already had more than enough animigus characters. I doubt that we'll see any of the original Hogwarts headmasters, but I do hope that we are told some backstory.

[Reverie Revenge]

I think that Ferrus might be very right: Fawkes may have once been Gryffindor's pet. And that would be the reason for the Gryffindor colours.

Anyway, a question: Has Fawkes lived in Hogwarts all this years? As the Headmaster pet? And why would a not Gryffindor Headmaster (let's say Phineas) keep this pet?

If Fawkes hasn't been in Hogwarts, I wouldn't be surprised if he has been kept by Gryffindor's family. Then again: is Dumbledore a descendent of Gryffindor?

I agree about Gryffindor's pet, Joto! This would explain 2 my least-beloved colours
But was Fawkes always a pet??? I think he was only if he wanted to be!

But about Phineas keeping Phoenix - in Fantastic Beasts is written that only most competent wizards can tame a Phoenix. I'm not saying Phineas wasn't competent (surely he was ) but Phoenix recognises purity of heart, so Fawkes certanly didn't like Phineas

Maybe Fawkes was wild, since Godric's death living on his own, before he befriended DD? But now he's so loyal that we get the impression Fawkes has been a pet forever
I think more Phoenixes are proud free-fliers than pets
And, BTW, I'm sure all the Founders are technically dead, though alive in our imaginations