Ron's sense of humor

[peterbb]

What about in GoF when Ron says that snape couldn't have gotten to Krum first unless he could turn into a bat or something. My pet theory is that snape is a vampire.

[Athena Appleton]

Actually, I do think you're on to something there... I don't take that so literally as to say that Snape actually can turn into a bat, but I do think it's a vampire reference (one of many, in fact)

[Meg Boyd]

I've said it before, and I have said it again...

Ron is an excellent literary source of foreshadowing because the reader is just not expecting it! He is written to be rather funny and slow, not at all as sharp and realiable as Hermione.

I just might guess that Percy would hand his family to the dementors...

Too much sanity can lead to insanity, and the sanist of themall sufferes from insanity!

Following the rules in that proof is sanity...(society) and disobeying them is insanity (against social norms) and in HP, Percy is sane by following the rules, and the Weasleys are insane by disobeying the rules, however in a real sense Percy is insane by the thruth because of his lack of morals centering around his conformity to the rules, while the Weasleys disobey for the good of all people. Percy is insane, and will do anything for power

[Athena Appleton]

I don't know, I think you're making Percy out to be a lot worse than he really is.

Percy did what a LOT of us would do if we were really honest with ourselves. He really believed that the Ministry had things under control, and thought that his family had gone off the deep end, consorting with people who told stories that couldn't be proved.

I actually admire him in a way. Yes, he is overly ambitious, but in this situation, he was standing up for what he believed in, and even though what he believed in was wrong, he still did a very difficult thing in leaving his family.

If Percy were going to do something like hand over the Weasleys to the dementors, I think he would have already done it. In the next book, the ministry will be forced to acknowledge that Harry and Dumbledore were right all along, so I think Percy will be brown-nosing his way back into the family.

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

Yeah, that sounds right, Athena. I just get frustrated when a character acts out of "character" like Percy by leaving his family. But it makes me more frustrated when people want to think that its impossible for Percy to be acting on his own accord and must be under the influence of the Imperius Curse.

[Athena Appleton]

Oh, I definately think Percy has been acting of his own accord, I just think he's misguided.

I actually compare this situation to what happened during the rise of the Nazis in Europe during WWII. There are the Nazis, there were the Jews, the people who resisted, but there were an awful lot of "good Germans" and "good Dutch" and other "good" people who bought into the belief that the Jews really were the problem with their respective countries. These people were vulnerable and chose the wrong side, but they didn't do it out of an honest hatred of the Jewish people, only because they fell for the Nazi madness. What they did was no less wrong, but I don't think everyone who didn't resist the Nazis during that time did so out of spite. Many of them did for fear of their own lives, or the lives of their families, or their livelihood.

Percy's choosing to turn against what he considered to be his family's reckless behavior showed that he was easily swayed by those in power, but not so much, I think, that he would be a Voldemort supporter. The men in charge told him Voldemort was no danger, and he believed him.

[han lin]

i think i saw your other thread abour=t this back in the day , amazing.

for anyone else
http://www.broomsticksandowls.com/forum ... php?t=3002

and i write a big long post back in the day about Lord voldemort being like hitler and the dark forces representing all the nazi allys. and then maybe if one is like italy, they will betray one side and fight for the other half way through the war?

back on topic


aanyway
i don't think percy would ever give his family up to the dementors, he has ambition and he turned his back on his family but he wouldnt give them to the deatheaters. hes a weasley

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

Don't know if this one has been pointed out already, but here goes...In CoS, Harry and Ron are trying to figure out how "Tom Riddle" got his special award for services to the school. Ron says, "Haha, maybe he got it for killing Moaning Myrtle." And lo and behold, Tom Riddle did in fact kill Myrtle!!

[Athena Appleton]

You know how Sirius says something like, "The world isn't split up into good people and Death Eaters..." or somethin like that...

I think Percy falls into the catagory of people that would be in the middle there... he's not evil. He's not necessarily good, he's pompous, kind of greedy for power, self-absorbed and self-important, but he's not really evil.

I don't think he'd turn over his family... if things had gotton so bad in OotP where them doing their thing would have affected his rise to power, yeah, maybe, but it didn't get that far. Now the ministry (Percy included) is forced to admit that they (the Weasleys, Harry, Dumbledore...) were right all along, if only to themselves.

[ADreamAbove]

In regards to Percy, I don't know what to think of him... but going back to mythology, there's a Perseus (who, incidentally, did not own much materially) who cut off Medusa's head to prevent his mother having to marry a bothersome suitor. So maybe he's going to proverbially shoot someone from the Ministry down from the "inside" to protect his parents...? Just a shot in the dark.

[Athena Appleton]

hmmm....

I forgot about him. I've always just gone with the Percy/Percival thing...

something to think about.