awarding of house points significant

[Athena Appleton]

I don't know if there's anything to this, but does anyone else find it odd that in the first book, when Dumbledore is giving out the final points to Hermione, Ron, Harry and Neville, he chooses the order that he did?
Ron got 50 points first. Hermione got 50 points second. Harry was awarded the most points, but not the final points. Neville was awarded only 10 points, but it was his ten points that put Gryffendor on top.
If nothing else, I think this shows the kind of man Dumbledore is. Neville (who had earned no points for Gryffendor) was ultimately the hero because of the order in which Dumbledore awarded the points.
Could it be that in a future book, Harry could to the main share of the work, but Neville comes in at the last and conquers?

[wizard_gurl4ev]

i think he will
i think that Harry and Neville together will kill Voldemort fovever becuase they have even dead or almost dead and b-days in July they both should

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[Violet]

i think neville still has a large role to play, but i dont know just how involved he will be in the final showdown with voldermort.
i dont know what you meant wizard_gurl4ev with harry and neville being "even dead or almost dead". i didnt understand what you were getting at.

[Ferrus]

Neville is sure to be going to get a major role in the coming books, he might even be the one to die so that Harry can kill of Voldie... its the kind of thing I can see the new(er) Neville doing.

[Marcus Baker]

i think neville still has a large role to play, but i dont know just how involved he will be in the final showdown with voldermort.
i dont know what you meant wizard_gurl4ev with harry and neville being "even dead or almost dead". i didnt understand what you were getting at.

I definatly agree with you violet high. We saw Neville play a bigger part in the 5th book, and we know that Dumbledore wouldnt just compare Harry with him for no reason. What i think is going to happen is that Neville will have to do something with |Bellatrix, cuz she killed his parents. I dont think he will have the last blowout with voldemort.

[Meg Boyd]

Neville is sure to be going to get a major role in the coming books, he might even be the one to die so that Harry can kill of Voldie... its the kind of thing I can see the new(er) Neville doing.

I can see that...I can see Neville being the one who has to die in order for Harry to conquer Voldie...maybe this act of love will be the final show down the power that Voldie has not

[Athena Appleton]

you guys will hate me for this, but i think harry'll die...
something about that prophesy i'm twisting into weird weird ways and i think harry'll die...

[Ferrus]

maybe this act of love will be the final show down the power that Voldie has not

It´s a definite possibility...

something about that prophesy i'm twisting into weird weird ways and i think harry'll die...

could you elaborate a bit more on that?

[Athena Appleton]

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... Born to those who have thice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...

Up until this point, "the one" could be Harry or Neville. This is also all Voldywart heard.

And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... And either must die at the hnd of the other for neither can live while the other survives...

And we know that Voldywart marked Harry, and not Neville, as his equal, so the one mentioned here is definately Harry. But "either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives" doesn't mean that Harry is the ONLY one who can kill Voldy, and Voldy isn't the ONLY one who can kill Harry. Remember in book 5, when Dumbledore tells Voldy that his greatest weakness is failing to understand that there are things worse than death? I think Harry will do this (whatever is "worse than death" and it'll make Voldy mortal (therefore using his power to vanquish the Dark Lord)) but that Neville will have the final showdown with Voldy. After Harry dies.

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

Now, when you first read this, it seems that this line is in here to reiterate what we've just read, but I think that this "one" is Neville.

I can't explain it very well, and I'm probably just hoping that my personal favorite character (student-wise) turns out to be the hero since Harry is one of my least favorites (SHOCK, I know! ), but in my own weird twisted head it all makes sense.

[Meg Boyd]

I see what you mean...and here I am I supporting both sides of the debate...

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

What if Harry was the seventh month and Neville came to power as Harry dies? Do you kinda get what I am getting at??? It works in my crazy Swettmind.

But this is what I feel about this...

"And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... And either must die at the hnd of the other for neither can live while the other survives..."

I have posted this before, but many of the people reading this weren't around when I posted this theory before and I cannot recall where it was but think about this...

WHAT IF... the above passage meant that since Voldy and Harry are connected perhaps they share a common life source. And since there are 2 people on a common life source something must break this bond. Of course the physical death of one body attached to another body's soul would rid the extra baggage so to speak. But neither can live while the other survives. Neither Harry or Voldy have been living very sastifying lives...both have a sort of a half life...Voldy is alive with a concocted body but hardly a mortal soul...Harry has had very few slivers of hope, love, and happiness in his life. Voldy's deficit is a kinda of symbol for what a person can become when denied such basic principals of life, while Harry is a parallel character which will probably show how a person can overcome such a deficit by seeking out for love etc. Harry will use this love to rid Voldy from the shared life source and only then will Harry be able to live a full and happy life free of the abnormal sorrow. Both a merely surviving in their own way, and it is the death of one freeing the other that will change all. Harry lives from day to day knowing that he has a mark, a mission, a brand, a scar that has dicated his life thus far...

In my opinion Neville is still extremely important and will have powers that the Dark Lord has not...both had a equal chance to save the world and it was not Voldy's choice of trying to murder Harry as a baby that marked him as an equal but the wizard's duel in book 4. Voldy never killed people he thought was below him...people like Lucius did that kind of dirty work...Voldy saved the best for himself, people he thought were worthy of death by his own hand...beyond that Voldy choose not to just blast him to oblivion at first, but with an honorable wizard's duel. Voldy knows deep down Harry is powerful. However in my mind Neville and Harry will both fight Voldy and Neville will sacrifice himself in strategy so Harry can win (kinda like how ron did in the chess game in book 1) however Harry will not fight against Voldy in anger and hate as Bellatrix does with her curses but with love, a love devoted to his dear friend, and love is certainly the power than Voldy has not. Harry will fight with love from Neville to conquer Voldy, and each will have a power Voldy has not...LOVE

[Athena Appleton]

ahhhhhhh.... my brain feels as though it has just feasted on good, good food...

I like that theory... in fact, it's very very similar to what I was meaning to say and just couldn't get into words.

[hagrid_fang]

i like that theory aswell meg! i think you could be on to something!

[Nobby]

that theory is great meg! i agree with darkcloak as well

I'm just editing because you say you agree with darkcloak! I thought it was a little off topic and splitted it into another unique thread. You might go there and say it again! It's title is 'Neville's skill'