Broomsticks And Owls

by **Athena Appleton** » Sunday 25 January 2004 7:24:10am

I've just read the Guide to the Myseries of HP and was wondering if anyone else had trouble buying into the James-is-alive-in-Lupin's-body theory.
Wouldn't DD have mentioned this to Harry at some point when Harry thinks he's lost everyone after Sirius dies? Considering James and Harry are so similar, isn't it normal that a close friend would be able to "read" Harry's mind? Wouldn't a close friend be emotional when details about the subject of James and Lily's deaths are talked about? Also, we know now that James and Lily aren't who Voldything was going after that night; it was Harry. So there would have been no reason for Lupin and James to HAVE to make that switch, would there?

by **highsorcerer** » Monday 26 January 2004 1:14:43am

Then wouldn't James Potter have shown up on the Maurader's Map along with Lupin, and Lupin's face shown in the Mirror of Erised?

by **Violet** » Monday 26 January 2004 3:27:41am

highsorcerer's right, i dont think that its possible for ajmes/lupin to be the same person. people should probably accept that james and lily are dead and leave it at that.

by **Mistress Siana** » Monday 26 January 2004 11:18:30am

I can't believe that theory either!! It's just not JKR's style. Dead is dead and nothing else. there's no way to bring people back. That would spoil so much! I think the priori incantatem thing in book 4 was every we get as far as bringing persons back is concerned.
After all, what would have happened to Lupin? James would never have allowed him to risk or even give his life for him.

by **Athena Appleton** » Monday 26 January 2004 2:44:48pm

Well, according to this book (the WWP Guide), they think Lily (who was especially good at charms (Ollivander, book 1)) did a switching spell on James and Lupin. So it's not saying they're being brought back, since "James" never died in the first place. Lupin died in James's body, and "James" is still out there as a sort of imposter Lupin (the guy we all know and love). Lupin's first name (Remus) is tied to some kind of mythology that makes them suspect that he is the one who died, and not James.
But I think that this was assuming there was some reason Voldything wanted to kill of ALL the Potters, which wasn't neccessarily the case. He was after Harry. James and Lily died protecting the baby, not because they were Potters.
When I got to that part of the book, I read and reread that part because it took me by complete suprize. I think it's just wishful thinking, though.

by **Violet** » Tuesday 27 January 2004 4:08:01pm

yeah i think it is wishful thinking. and if james was in lupin's body then i think he would have presented himself to harry by now. I mean could you stand by and watch your son think that both his parents were dead, especially after he'd just lost his godfather as well?

by **Athena Appleton** » Tuesday 27 January 2004 5:28:58pm

Yeah, that was my main issue with this theory in the first place. Since Dumbledore feels so strongly about telling the truth, and Harry is so upset at the end of Book 5, I really think one of them would have told him.

by **Aberforth** » Wednesday 18 February 2004 1:00:14pm

Would the warewolf still take over Lupin's body if James was in it? Probably would I think.

However, if anyone could fool the Marauders Map it would be James since he helped make it.

Does anyobe remember when Lupin performed the patranus - what form did it take? Ok just because Harry's is a stag doesn't mean James' would be too, but it is worth thinking about.

by **hagrid_fang** » Wednesday 18 February 2004 1:13:59pm

Violet wrote:yeah i think it is wishful thinking. and if james was in lupin's body then i think he would have presented himself to harry by now. I mean could you stand by and watch your son think that both his parents were dead, especially after he'd just lost his godfather as well?

I agree, there isn't a great deal to support this theory! I know i couldn't stand by and watch someone i care for think i was dead, i would feel the need to reveal myself!

by **AngelicS_89** » Thursday 19 February 2004 6:18:30pm

Athena wrote:He was after Harry. James and Lily died protecting the baby, not because they were Potters.

They did die cause they're Potters,they were on the list "to be killed by Voldemort"!

by **Athena Appleton** » Thursday 19 February 2004 8:43:19pm

Fluffy bear wrote:
Athena wrote:He was after Harry. James and Lily died protecting the baby, not because they were Potters.

They did die cause they're Potters,they were on the list "to be killed by Voldemort"!

Where's that mentioned? I don't remember reading about a "list to be killed by voldemort".

I think James and Lily only died because they were in Voldemort's way of killing Harry.

by **AngelicS_89** » Friday 20 February 2004 2:30:44pm

It's not really a list,just Voldemort wanted to kill everybody important in Wizard world from the good side(everybody from OotP).Actually as I recall he first wanted to try to make them to the bad side and then if they don't wan to,he will kill them,so they died cause they're Potters

by **Athena Appleton** » Friday 20 February 2004 2:36:51pm

nope, nope, nope... they died because that night, he was after Harry, and they were in the way.

in GoF, I think it's clear that Voldemort is very particular about who he kills and when. He doesn't like to have those plans messed up, even when it means killing an extra good guy.

by **AngelicS_89** » Friday 20 February 2004 3:38:19pm

Not sure,mayne you're right,but still they had to die one day,so Voldemort just killed two flies with one shot(actually he was going to kill three of them,but then he killed only Lilly and James)He wanted them death doesn't matter when

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