So, what happens?

[Chimera]

Lots of theories discussed so far. Hows about we try and hammer out some kind of coherent theory as to what's going to happen in book 7. It'd be interesting to see how close we get.

To start off, I think we need to decide on the factions, who is in which faction? I think there may be as many as 5 separate factions, some of them allied to each other, some of them enemies of each other.

1: Order of the Phoenix, the trio, ?Snape. Good

2: Voldemort, Death Eaters, Giants, Dementors, ?Goblins ?Snape. Evil

3: Ministry of Magic, ?Percy. Good, but somewhat inept.

4: ?Snape, ?Draco Malfoy. ?Good/evil.

5: ?Percy, ?Goblins, ?some Elves, ?Centaurs. Good


Hows that so far? Anyone want to shuffle those about? Any plot theories to add?

[carsten]

... Any plot theories to add?

OK, good starting point! I am contributing a list of things likely to happen, because of hints and tips in the previous books:

1. A short stay with the Dursleys; the protection broken
2. Surprise at the wedding of Ron's brother and Fleur
3. Apparition tests for Harry and Ron
4. Harry seeking revenge for DD's death.
5. Snape's own plans revealed (he IS his own faction!)
6. Elves joining the war
7. Search for the horcruxes
8. Return to Grimmauld Place / the locket (if not stolen by Mundungus)
9. Details about Godric's Hollow and the initial events before book 1
10. Justice for Wormtail
11. The final showdown between Harry and LV!
12. Coupling: Harry & Ginny, Ron & Hermione, Luna & Neville

Comments and suggestions welcome!

[sorcerer83]

several things:

first - i think you're right unfortunatelly, and harry will, at first, seek revange, hopefully just until herm' will sway him off that.

second - this is more a heart wish - harry and ginny will get back together during his time at the weasleys and she will join the trio at least at first, against harry's oppinion - she will just not take no as an answer.

third - again a heart wish - the final show down will be snape and vold not harry and vold, though harry will destroy at least 3 of the remaining 4 or 5 horcruxes.

i dont think the elves will join the war maybe few of them will, maybe when it's too late and vold and the death eaters have almost all of them enslaved or killed, they will.
i'm not sure about the centaurs - i think some of them will join vold, and most of those who wont will stay "neutral"
dementors - will be with vold but arent very loyal also to him, giants - maybe some will join the order after all.
something that just occured to me now - there'll be a rebellion (unsuccessful) with in the death eaters - either just someone trying to lead them and push vold over, or someone has enough of the evil ways they work in[/b]

[Mistress Siana]

One big bad theory on book 7, you mean? Ooh, I see a huge fight coming over this...

As far as factions are concerned, I wonder who'll turn traitor, most of all.

-The Malfoys: Narcissa already went behind LV's back, Draco failed to complete his task, and Lucius still has to fear LV's revenge. Also, the whole family is pretty much in Snape's (and DD's?) debt now. Very likely candidates for a little change of priorities, I think.

-Wormtail: Has a life debt to pay back and still to show a proof of the infamous Gryffindor bravery. Sounds like a final act of heroic scarifice and death to me.

-Greyback: I wish nothing but the worst for him, but I think he's good for a surprise. He's loyal to nobody except the call of his blood, I wonder what role he'll play in the final fight.


Anyway, I'm pretty sure that somebody Harry trusts will have to turn traitor. But I have no idea who.

-Slughorn: He loved Tom Riddle, and Voldemort wants him as an ally. Will he be able to resist?

-Lupin: Sirius, at one point, thought he'd turned traitor. I'm dying to know why. Boy, I really am.

-Tonks: I definitely wonder of what use her abilities will be.



-Well, then, Snape of course. Who wouldn't say he was tricky. I'm willing to believe any theory apart from 100% Death Eater. There's some kind of moral to him, I think, some deeper motivation for doing what he does. My guess of the day: He truly wanted to save the Potters, for whatever reason, maybe he too has limits and killing children crosses them. Nevertheless, he failed. Now, with the Malfoys in about the same situation as the Potters, he sees his chance to make up for his past mistakes by saving the Malfoys from the Dark Lord.

-Dumbledore: He let Voldemort know about the prophecy on purpose.

-Voldemort: His soul will be repaired and he finds salvation in death. I know you're gonna find that ridiculous, but we'll see who laughs last.

[sorcerer83]

well then:

about the colour changing:

worm' - i really really hope you're wrong - i mean i dont mind him getting back to the good side in the middle of the book - but i'd hate it to be in the end in a kind of deus ex machina situation when he suddenly finds the good and courage of his heart etc etc... i really think jkr is above that

greyback - good thinking - i can see him leadding the rebellion i talked about.

about the good side - yes someone will betray, but none of those you mentioned i think, dont know who will - maybe some student we know, maybe someone we only heard of or dont know at all

but there's something that i feel is larger than all of that - there's a reason why it wasnt malfoy who killed dd - a reason why dd wouldnt let him kill him and made him stall time, until snape could come and kill him, a reason that maybe dd himself didnt know of only jkr did - i think that malfoy (draco of course) has much greater importance than we know and it was assential that he wouldnt kill - wouldnt make the ultimate evil thing - yes he made dd's death happen under his and his family's lifes threat, but given the opportunity he didnt kill - that would be important

[Chimera]

Wormtail - any switch of sides would have to be artfully done, not sloppily done.

Lupin - There was a traitor, and the traitor was a Marauder. Nobody suspected Pettigrew as he was the grey man, it definitely wouldn't be Potter himself, so Lupin and Black suspected each other. Padfoot's only reason for suspecting Moony was that he was a Marauder.

Greyback - He'll be told to cancel a planned attack, this will upset him. He was so longing to rip juicy flesh and then he can't. He may split the werewolves from Voldemort and start another faction.

Snape - No point bothering, JKR will find some way of catching us off-guard.

Slughorn - Won't switch sides. His drunken ramblings in Hagrid's hut prove that much.

Voldemort - Dies regretting only that he died.



Goblins - A lot hinges on the goblins. They're capable fighters and there's a decent number of them. They're capable of using magic effectively, which is why they're not allowed wands, although clearly not all their magic relies upon wands (Griphook's fingernail...)

The goblins may just choose to stay out of it, but given their history of fighting when diplomacy fails I rather think not. What side they'll fight for right now is anybody's guess. What would definitely swing the goblins towards the wizards would be giving them back a number of rights, including the right to bear wands, and giving them a voice at the ministry. If Scrimgeour were to put a goblin in the goblin liaison office, for instance, that would go a long way towards building bridges.

[sorcerer83]

Goblins - A lot hinges on the goblins. They're capable fighters and there's a decent number of them. They're capable of using magic effectively, which is why they're not allowed wands, although clearly not all their magic relies upon wands (Griphook's fingernail...)

The goblins may just choose to stay out of it, but given their history of fighting when diplomacy fails I rather think not. What side they'll fight for right now is anybody's guess. What would definitely swing the goblins towards the wizards would be giving them back a number of rights, including the right to bear wands, and giving them a voice at the ministry. If Scrimgeour were to put a goblin in the goblin liaison office, for instance, that would go a long way towards building bridges.

yeah sure hell do just that scrimgeour - he really is the kind of leader who is smart enough, takes brave actions, and isnt too afraid of public oppoinion, which is needed to make such a move...
or maybe im sarcarstic? nah couldnt be
i think the goblins will start taking actions but im not sure about taking sieds - im not sure they have a strong leadership that can unite them and take them to one side or another, and im not sure which theyd prefer:
vold wont promiss them nay rights as he is most likely at least a bit conscerned of their power, and the ministrey wont wanna appear desparate for their help so they wont offer anything "under fire"
what i see happening is small groups of goblins gathering in many places mostly to ensure their saftey and maybe to grab more independance doing so by fighting whoever is in their way - using the fact that both sieds are busy with each other to mind them..
hey i just had a cool idea!! what if jk does tear a leaf off of tolkins book but puts it upside down - making this war the end of the time of man and the beginning of the time of elves, and goblins centaures, giants, (dragons) and all of those magical sentient beings, now controlled by man

[Chimera]

Or simply the end of humanity's outright dominance, leading to better equality and understanding.

[carsten]

Or simply the end of humanity's outright dominance, leading to better equality and understanding.

Free the elves!

[Chimera]

Yeah, like Dobby Luther King...

[Chimera]

EUREKA - SNAPE DIES!

We know there's two deaths, and they're both characters JKR loves - and what writer wouldn't love snape? She said on one of the big forums (like mugglenet or one of those) that there are things in film three that foreshadow events in book 7. One of the main deviations from the books is where Snape is conscious outside the Whomping Willow, on seeing Lupin transformed he puts himself between Lupin and the kids. I think he'll defend somebody with his life, and it'll be Voldemort that kills him.

[GodrictheGriffon]

1-When Snape dies, his wand will be snapped in half and the souls of all of the people which he has killed will come to help Harry

2-Kreacher turned the locket over to L.V.

3-Peter will realize his wrong-doings after L.V. gets as mad as he can be which I beleive, to be preeeeeeeeeetty mad. He will than realize his debt which he owes to Harry and come to his aid.

4-Hogwarts will remain open.

5-Rufus Scrimgeour will try and convince Harry to be the Ministry-Mascot once again. And once again, Harry will refuse.

6-Lupin will NEVER, turn traitor.

7-The Durseley's will help Harry greatly and will show tremendous love, caring, understanding, and compassion, towards Harry.


This is a really cool thread, Chimera! I think that we really needed it!

[GodrictheGriffon]

Truly hate to double post, but, I forgot to add to more things:

1-Snape will see the flaw in his ways and become good again, or at least not be THE, enemy no longer.

2-Malfoy is not evil. He is good.