Harry the last Horcrux

[glamourweaver]

Here are few points to back up my little theory...

1. JK Rowling stated in an online chat following the release of Order of the Pheonix that Harry's scar & what it means would become more significant in the future. Clearly this did not happen in Half-Blood Prince. We must assume therefor it will be of major importance in Book 7. Some rumors even indicate the last word of Book 7's title will be "Scar".

2. It takes a murder to create a Horcrux. Voldemort (according to Dumbledore anyway), intended to use the murder of Harry &/or his parents to create his final Horcrux. Voldemort ofcourse succeded in killing James & Lily.

3. Nagini proves that living creatures can be Horcuxes

4. Harry's link into Voldemort's mind & empathy for Voldemort's thoughts parallel Voldemort's link with Nagini. Dumbledore implied that Voldemort COULD reach into Harry's mind the same way Harry does into V. but does not because of the protection of Lily's sacrifice.

5. We know Harry has something of Voldemort's within him. The obvious effect of this being Parsel-Tongue.

My conclusion: Voldemort has (likely accidentally) turned Harry... or maybe just the scar... into his final Horcrux. He may not know this to be the case has he has no inherint sense for the Horcruxes anymore according to Dumbledore.

[annachie]

3. prooves nothing as we don't know for sure that Nagini is a horcrux. We only assume.

2. Is a bit of a logical error. It takes a murder to split your soul, and it takes a split soul to make a horcrux. 2 seperate acts but we don't know what order they need to be done in or even if the order matters. We don't know if the horcrux can be prepared beforehand or if it's a spell or somesuch cast afterwords.

4. I thought that DD implied that LV was possesing Nagini during OotP and that Harry was being taken for the ride due to the link that he shares with LV

5. Not sure about 5.

All this being said, I do like the idea of Harry, or at least his scar, being a horcrux.

... and Harry realises that he no longer has the famous lightning scar. or similar.

[glamourweaver]

3. prooves nothing as we don't know for sure that Nagini is a horcrux. We only assume.

2. Is a bit of a logical error. It takes a murder to split your soul, and it takes a split soul to make a horcrux. 2 seperate acts but we don't know what order they need to be done in or even if the order matters. We don't know if the horcrux can be prepared beforehand or if it's a spell or somesuch cast afterwords.

4. I thought that DD implied that LV was possesing Nagini during OotP and that Harry was being taken for the ride due to the link that he shares with LV

5. Not sure about 5.

All this being said, I do like the idea of Harry, or at least his scar, being a horcrux.

... and Harry realises that he no longer has the famous lightning scar. or similar.

3. It shows that as far as Dumbledore is aware of horcruxes, they can be living things.

2. You're right that we don't know enough for this to show anything on its own. It simply shows that the possibility exists. Its the other evidence that strenghthens the possibility.

4. Dd implies in HBP that Voldemort is able to do what he does with Nagini because she's a Horcrux. My point is that his possession of Nagini is similar in expierence to Harry's possession of Voldemort/Nagini & the sharing of Voldemort's emotions.

[gadfly22]

I don't think the fact that Harry has had insight into Voldemort's moods and has experienced a kind of out-of-body experience in Nagini says anything about the presence of part of Voldy's soul or Harry (or Nagini) as a horcrux.

From what we know of horcruxes, the soul-splitter is unaware that any piece of his soul is in danger or has been destroyed. Those soul bits seem to be distributed about, to be left till called for. In other words, they don't have the capacity for separate consciousness that Harry displayed.

So I don't think Harry is an actual horcrux. He shares a bond with Voldy, but I don't think he or the scar are carrying bits of Voldy's soul.

[Dacre]

This makes a lot of sense, and if Harry has to kill himself to kill V would be an ending a lot of people have forseen, but hasn't V already tried to kill Harry - wouldn't that hurt him too?
Also, when did he make Harry one - I presume the ceremony / spell to do it would be difficult to achieve whilst he was dying attacking Harry / his mum.
Also the Tom Riddle in the diary wouldn't have known Harry was a HCX (strange he wouldn't be able to tell if both part of the same soul)

[child of darkness]

DD already said what the horcruxes could be i doubt that he would be wrong, so no i dont think a horcrux could be Harry its just a question of a Ravenclaw or Gryffindor possesion.

[Tanuki]

You keep assuming Harry is a traditional Horcrux. He isn't, and LV does not know he is. Somethiong happened when Voldy tried to kill Harry, something that never happened before. I think, as a side effect,LV's soul was placed in Harry, making him a Horcrux, but bestowing on him other thibngs as well. If you keep thinking so narrowly, the layers of the book will pass you by

[dibble2]

As strange as it is, wouldn't Dumbledore have thought of Harry being a horcrux? If I had a theory that Voldemort was going to make a horcrux with Harry's death and then a very unusual effect took place, connecting Harry and Lord Voldemort, giving them insights into each other's minds, then I would have checked (if that's possible) to see if Harry is a horcrux. Then again it might not be possible to know if an object is a horcrux, or maybe Dumbledore made an error. He's seemed a lot more flawed as of late. Maybe he didn't want to check Harry, fearing the answer. Anyway, another part of this Harry theory has to be that if Voldemort doesn't know, then he would have made another horcrux to get his seven total, meaning there would really be eight. That means trouble for sure.

[glamourweaver]

As strange as it is, wouldn't Dumbledore have thought of Harry being a horcrux? If I had a theory that Voldemort was going to make a horcrux with Harry's death and then a very unusual effect took place, connecting Harry and Lord Voldemort, giving them insights into each other's minds, then I would have checked (if that's possible) to see if Harry is a horcrux. Then again it might not be possible to know if an object is a horcrux, or maybe Dumbledore made an error. He's seemed a lot more flawed as of late. Maybe he didn't want to check Harry, fearing the answer. Anyway, another part of this Harry theory has to be that if Voldemort doesn't know, then he would have made another horcrux to get his seven total, meaning there would really be eight. That means trouble for sure.

You mean Seven total. Remember he only wanted Six Horcruxes, the seventh fragment of his soul being the one still tied to his body.

[Lelie]

i just can't get on board with this one. voldemort can't even possess harry without being in intense physical pain. harry is said to be too pure and have too much love inside him. surely, such an evil soul could not survive in those conditions. I also suspect that when voldemort was possessing harry in OoTP he might have noticed a bit of his soul in there with him.
In addition, it seems like you have to make a horcrux on purpose, with a particular spell. it would be a mess if you could accidentally make one... then anyone who killed someone could be accidentally throwing parts of their soul around into who knows what! i imagine that members of the order have killed people before, and they certainly wouldn't WANT to make horcruxes.
i suppose harry's scar COULD be a horcrux, but how on earth do you get rid of that???

[Tanuki]

And Aveda Kedaveda's supposed to work every time... instant death. Something went wrong there too. We can assume that the events started with killing Lilly had other side effects

[Athena Appleton]

Here are few points to back up my little theory...

1. JK Rowling stated in an online chat following the release of Order of the Pheonix that Harry's scar & what it means would become more significant in the future. Clearly this did not happen in Half-Blood Prince. We must assume therefor it will be of major importance in Book 7. Some rumors even indicate the last word of Book 7's title will be "Scar".

Yes, but there could be many options on this... we know virtually nothing about that scar, except that it serves as some sort of a link between Harry and Voldemort.

2. It takes a murder to create a Horcrux. Voldemort (according to Dumbledore anyway), intended to use the murder of Harry &/or his parents to create his final Horcrux. Voldemort ofcourse succeded in killing James & Lily.

True, but it's quite clear, isn't it, that Voldemort intended to KILL Harry. He spent much time wondering why Harry survived. He wouldn't have tried to destroy his own Horcrux, particularly when it's an infant, and in the very making of it.

3. Nagini proves that living creatures can be Horcuxes

Dumbledore says later (after wondering aloud if Nagini is a Horcrux) that she isn't. He could be wrong, sure, but it definately doesn't count as solid evidence, or at least, I don't think it does.